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Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:49 am to VADawg
quote:How do you "elevate" the play of someone who gets hit in the hands and drops the ball? How do you "elevate" the play of receivers who can't get leverage against defenders?
It's up to the third year starting QB to elevate their play. Fromm doesn't do that. He is what he is.
Are you suggesting Fromm should do some pee-wee football stuff where he moves around in the pocket for 8 seconds like JB was able to do tonight and wait for receivers to find their way open? Because that's about the only way he can elevate anyone's play out there other than trying to make sure they are in the right position with the right play. He can't execute for them.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:58 am to runningdog
quote:I'm saying that our offense has been inconsisnt across the board this season, from the QB to the RBs to the WRs/TEs and even to the OL. We haven't functioned as a cohesive offensive unit much at all this season and there's a lot of blame to go around, even to Fromm. Those who are singling out Fromm as being the problem with our offense are simply blinded and not seeing the bigger picture.
Let’s just say you are correct. GA has two 5* and a high 4* receivers. Are you saying none of them can run a basic route tree or shed tight man? Are you saying Pittman can’t coach the O linemen he recruited? Are you saying he recruits off of stars and not ability? Are you saying GA played conservative ball because it had only one functional QB?
quote:I agree that he botched the situation. CKS should not have played Fields as much as he did. He did it to appease Fields and his vocal family members at the expense of his starting QB. Even after all he did for Fields, Fields still left, leaving rumors of racism and broken promises swirling around to affect our team and potential recruits. I do blame CKS for that. He should've let Fields play in mop up duty and then sat him on the bench the rest of the time.
Say what you want, Kirby and staff botched the Fields situation. Just as Richt botched the Shockley situation. I like Fromm. I liked Greene. Neither had the upside of Fields or Shockley.
quote:Building your offense around a single player has drawbacks that extend beyond the season(s) that the player is there. There's a reason why coaches generally have a particular style or scheme that they recruit to, because certain players simply fit better in certain schemes. Georgia Tech has recruited for their option offense for years and now that they're trying to move to the forward pass, their offense has struggled because their personnel isn't suited for it yet. That will come with a few more seasons of recruiting for them, but there's a struggle they've had this season with the changes. Obviously not all offenses or defenses are so drastic, but the point is that unless you have all-world talent at most every position, it's difficult to make such transitions in the long-term without drastically changing your recruiting strategy as well.
I love Kirby as a coach, but he is at a crossroads. I wish I knew the game well enough to opine who should be the OC, but I do not. I do know this, you don’t recruit the #1 QB to sit him. You build an offense around his skill set. Particularly when said QB is a recruiting pied piper for elite talent.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 2:04 am to Bulldawg2010
quote:There's a reason why those throws are called low-percentage throws. It's difficult to throw a ball 30 or 40 yards downfield, hitting a moving target in stride while also not throwing it into the path of defenders consistently.
I have seen Fromm, ever since his freshman year, struggle to accurately throw the ball past 20 yards.
quote:Depends on the reason for it. If he's inaccurate because he is misjudging where he should throw it, that's one thing, but if he's inaccurate because the receiver isn't keeping up his speed, gets slowed down due to contact, or doesn't run his route correctly, that could just as easily result in an inaccurate pass. It depends on why the miss occurs.
We all assumed that as his accuracy would get better as the years went on, it hasn’t.
quote:Yep, and all QBs do that to one degree or another. It's just more noticeable for Fromm because he throws the ball less than a lot of QBs in these high-powered offenses predicated on spreading out defenses.
Yes, our receiving core is bad this year. But from under threw a touchdown, and over threw a wide open corner route.
That’s on him. Not the coaches, not the WR, HIM.
quote:It's not just the deep ball. It's the short to intermediate routes, as well. If we can't consistently throw the ball (any distance) then of course defenses are going to devote more personnel to stopping the run. It's not the distance of the throws but the balance of the offense that keeps defenses in check. When we typically get ourselves in 3rd and long situations, there isn't a lot of guesswork needed to know how to get our offense off the field.
He has not had a good year this year, it is okay to admit that. There is a reason that teams all year have stacked the box and played press man.
They do not respect our WRs, and they do not respect our Quarterback. Running the ball, and throwing comeback routes will only get you so far. You HAVE to have a quarterback that can punish teams with the deep ball, and we do not have that quarterback
Posted on 12/8/19 at 5:23 am to FooManChoo
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Building your offense around a single player has drawbacks that extend beyond the season(s) that the player is there.
I don’t disagree, but why recruit him if you are just going to mold hm to your scheme and not evolve? Isn’t that the real issue? Was Fields told he was the future of a hybrid pro/spread offense? He obviously was promised something or Kirby wouldn’t have played him the way he did in 2018.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 9:57 am to FooManChoo
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Don’t lie. You saw my comment about that pass
I didn't. As much as you think I minimize Fromm and maximize all other issues, you do the exact opposite
You did because I responded to your post about it, and then you responded to me. I would never minimize the impact of a missed td. To do so shows a clear lack of understanding of the game.
Posted on 12/8/19 at 1:15 pm to tween the hedges
Bitching. What part of that wasn’t clear?
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