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re: GA HB 757 - Should Deal sign it?
Posted on 3/25/16 at 8:34 pm to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 3/25/16 at 8:34 pm to fibonaccisquared
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One day, maybe you'll be able to hold a conversation that involves using logic and reasonable discourse. As usual, your most recent post failed to do either.
This from the mongoloid mouth-breathing commie that equates private property rights with a right to murder.....
frick you and your gay fricking gifs. Commie piece of moron shite.
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 9:17 pm to Jefferson Dawg
Is your version of the adult table the same one Trump sits at?
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 3/25/16 at 9:20 pm to Jefferson Dawg
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mongoloid mouth-breathing
You continue to attribute your self loathing to others Jefferson. It's really amusing. Feel free to actually type up something that resembles a coherent thought that defends your tenuous at best definition of property rights law.
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frick you and your gay fricking gifs
I fully anticipate that you will one day gay porn bomb this place and out yourself. It's the only explanation for your deep seated self hatred.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 9:44 pm to dawgfan24348
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Is your version of the adult table the same one Trump sits at?
Its no wonder he is attracted to the voice and actions of trump.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 9:50 pm to IT_Dawg
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The fricking stupidity in this thread is beyond embarrassing. Anyone arguing this is beyond stupid. Let's let the government tell us everything we MuST do in our private lives and private business. I mean, the government knows more about we should do then we do.....seperation of church and state...1st amendment don't mean dick anymore apparently and a lot of you are happy about it. Why don't you all go move to a country that the government can dictate your everyday life instead of speaking out against our country that never intended for this to happen.
You refer to the constitution, yet you know nothing about it apparently. The government can do ANYTHING it wants as it relates to private business. The state government has unlimited power to regulate private business within the state, barring an enumerated right in the Constitution, or a superceding federal statute based on interstate commerce. Now, I agree that most people - myself included - don't want the state government intruding into business. And this is reflected in how we vote. Some people want more control, some want less. But it's perfectly legal and constitutional.
Also, I'm guessing that you're not a real libertarian. You're a pick-and-choose type who loves the government to stay out of his business on some things, but loves the government to get in the business of other people on other issues.
The bottom line here is that it doesn't matter what you think. It matters what the big businesses in Georgia think. I know there is alot of antipathy toward all "non-Southerners" here, whatever the frick that means. But those are the people running the show in the State, and they don't want their kids going to retard schools where they say that Dinosaur bones are actually Devil's rocks put there to test our faith in Christ, or live in communities where bigotry is promoted by our laws.
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 4:56 am to baconwaffle
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You refer to the constitution, yet you know nothing about it apparently
I know a lot about the constitution and our rights as citizens of the USA.
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But it's perfectly legal and constitutional
I don't think you read my post right or don't understand how to interpret sarcasm....
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.Also, I'm guessing that you're not a real libertarian. You're a pick-and-choose type who loves the government to stay out of his business on some things, but loves the government to get in the business of other people on other issues.
You guessed wrong...sorry
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:18 am to djsdawg
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Interesting that there is nothing specifically from Jesus. So which books involve such sayings?
Leviticus 18:22, "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination."1
Leviticus 20:13, "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Romans 1:26-28, "For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper."
There are other verses, too.
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The bible says all sorts of crazy things.
Not really when you consider the audience the words were spoken to and/or the context. Taken singularly it does seem to be extreme in places, but when placed in context much less so.
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Seems like most believers just pick and choose which ones to "remember".
No argument here. We all like to think we are a little better than other people. It is always easy to condemn someone else's failures than to acknowledge our own.
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:22 am to djsdawg
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You're right, of course. However, how do we know which is which? How do we know if someone is truly gay or if they are experimenting and decide they want to live or have sex with someone of the same sex? Therein lies the problem. Take Cailin Jennings, for example. married how many times? has how many children, then he is a woman, all of a sudden?
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I bet what you speak of consists mostly of exceptions to the rule. It's easy to imagine natural fears of being shamed or disavowed by their friends and families leading to some desperate attempts to act straight and make straight relationships work through marriage and kids. In the end, they eventually succumb to the reality of their homosexuality.
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I bet what you speak of consists mostly of exceptions to the rule.
Not according to this:
This kind of union happens more often than people may think; research done by University of Chicago sociologist Edward Laumann, Ph.D., estimated that between 1.5 million and 2.9 million American women who have ever been married had a husband who had had sex with another man. That means there are a large number of women who have no idea what their husband does in secret.
LINK
Posted on 3/26/16 at 6:27 am to djsdawg
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I bet actual %'s would be hard to find but a quick Google turned up this article that supports the the same reasons of "why it happens" as I brought up in the same post you responded to.
Actual percentages would. Check out my post above and it does give a decent guesstimation. However, from your link:
After 20 years of marriage, Mark couldn't take it any more. He still loved and cared for his wife, but had started to feel a strong attraction towards a close male friend.
While this worked out (That woman was crazy to stay with him) think of all the women that are hurt, humiliated and crushed because their husband wants to protect his secret. They guy (or it could be a woman) wants to hide their secret to avoid hurt and humiliation and their solution is to hurt and humiliate the person they supposedly love?
Posted on 3/26/16 at 9:03 am to DawgsLife
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I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
Dawg Life - what does your wife think about that verse?
Posted on 3/26/16 at 9:38 am to DawgsLife
The thing that keeps getting lost in all this is: None of these verses indicate that people should treat them any differently. Simply that they will be judged *by God* accordingly. "Judge not lest ye be judged"... Isn't that a thing? There's likely not one person who can look at the "sin of homosexuality" and cast a stone without raining down stones upon their own glass houses. Isn't that the entire point of the bible? That we're all sinners and that Jesus supposedly died for those sins so that we may be forgiven?
I don't see a similar outrage about fornicators or adulterers for example, so forgive me if I call bullshite on the current subject as anything more than selective bigotry. Protecting pastors, I'm good with. Protecting sinners who find another sin worse than their own, not so much. It's failing to even acknowledge what their own religious tenet preaches.
I don't see a similar outrage about fornicators or adulterers for example, so forgive me if I call bullshite on the current subject as anything more than selective bigotry. Protecting pastors, I'm good with. Protecting sinners who find another sin worse than their own, not so much. It's failing to even acknowledge what their own religious tenet preaches.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 10:32 am to tissle
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Dawg Life - what does your wife think about that verse?
He doesn't know. She isn't allowed to tell him
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:07 am to fibonaccisquared
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The thing that keeps getting lost in all this is: None of these verses indicate that people should treat them any differently. Simply that they will be judged *by God* accordingly. "Judge not lest ye be judged"... Isn't that a thing? There's likely not one person who can look at the "sin of homosexuality" and cast a stone without raining down stones upon their own glass houses. Isn't that the entire point of the bible? That we're all sinners and that Jesus supposedly died for those sins so that we may be forgiven?
I don't see a similar outrage about fornicators or adulterers for example, so forgive me if I call bullshite on the current subject as anything more than selective bigotry. Protecting pastors, I'm good with. Protecting sinners who find another sin worse than their own, not so much. It's failing to even acknowledge what their own religious tenet preaches.
Well said man. Many Christians these days can't understand that point. It is not your job to judge people. Leave that to God.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 11:56 am to fibonaccisquared
Exactly, all this religious freedom bill is, is just a bunch of bigots using religion to get their way. If they really wanted to deny sinners then they could never let anyone in. Also anyone who's ever cheated, had sex before marriage, or got divorced should fall under their same rule.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:00 pm to K9
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Well said man. Many Christians these days can't understand that point. It is not your job to judge people. Leave that to God.
This always reminded me of Tosh's goalline defense comment.
That's my thoughts. If you believe in all of that then why fret if they are treated equally because if your right they are doomed to hell anyway. So why sweat it
Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:07 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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That's my thoughts. If you believe in all of that then why fret if they are treated equally because if your right they are doomed to hell anyway. So why sweat it
I get that and it is correct, but you should not be forced as a person to do business with them if you don't want to based on your beliefs....that's the point here. That bakery in Colorado got fricked royally and their lives are ruined because of the courts. They even told the gay couple about a great bakery that would make them a cake.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:36 pm to tissle
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I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.
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Dawg Life - what does your wife think about that verse?
I'm sure she would not like it a whole lot if she didn't know the background/context of the verse. I believe Timothy was writing to church in which the women had taken over the church and taught false teachings. Perhaps they were well meaning and didn't fully understand, or were purposely misleading people with false teachings. This is what the verse is talking about. telling that church not to allow the women to take over teaching responsibilities or even speak as an authority until they fully understand. By the way, there are many verses chastising men for false teachings in the Bible, also.
You can't pluck individual verses out of the Bible and show proof of anything. Thisis not a criticism of you. Many Christains are guilty of this, too. I have also been guilty of it in the past.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:54 pm to fibonaccisquared
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The thing that keeps getting lost in all this is: None of these verses indicate that people should treat them any differently.
It's not lost. Check back into my posts. I have said that if (In the case of the baker) he would not refuse a cake to a liar or cheater, then why would he refuse a cake to the homosexual? However, I also would bristle at the government telling me who I must provide services for. For instance, why would I want to make a cake for a KKK rally, or force a Muslim baker to do a cartoon Mohammed on a cake knwoing they would find it offensive. It's simply a matter of respect for others beliefs. Why must we bend people with the law to do what we want them to do?
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"Judge not lest ye be judged"... Isn't that a thing?
Yes, it is. but note, it does not say not to judge. Simply that if you judge, then you should be prepared to be judged, does it not?
The entire passgae is as follows:
Matthew 7:1-5
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. 2 For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.
3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
So what it says is get your life straight then worry about someone else. It's another reason why I don't condemn others for their sin. That is between them and God. However, it never says NOT to judge. Simply that you will be judged in the same way you judge others. Jesus never shied away from calling sin a sin.
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I don't see a similar outrage about fornicators or adulterers for example, so forgive me if I call bull shite on the current subject as anything more than selective bigotry.
Not at all. Homosexuality is a sin. It is called such plainly in the Bible. So is fornicators and liars, and adulterers. They are also called such plainly in the Bible. I can provide verses if you would like. However, this thread is about a specific thing.
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Protecting pastors, I'm good with. Protecting sinners who find another sin worse than their own, not so much.
And herein is the key. We (Christians) tend to judge more harshly sins we have no problem with. Lying is acceptable because everybody does it. Murder? easy. I have no problem murdering so it is outrageous if someone does that. Same with child pornography, prostitution and so many others. But the Bible teaches that ANY sin can condemn us. A lie can send us to hell just as surely as a murder, child pornography and other sins. So in this I understand what you are saying fully and agree with you. This is where Christians get the "Holier than thou" reputation.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:58 pm to Damn Good Dawg
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 4:57 pm to DawgsLife
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Not according to this: This kind of union happens more often than people may think; research done by University of Chicago sociologist Edward Laumann, Ph.D., estimated that between 1.5 million and 2.9 million American women who have ever been married had a husband who had had sex with another man. That means there are a large number of women who have no idea what their husband does in secret.
That's a small %, which supports the idea of it being an exception, and you keep on avoiding why this would likely happen.
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