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re: Do we start landing more big time recruits from GA??

Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:09 am to
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:09 am to
That's the demographic of atlanta though, if you drive around the rest of the state, its Uga.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:14 am to
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That's the demographic of atlanta though, if you drive around the rest of the state, its Uga.







Dont get confused by land area.

70% of the population is in metro ATL.

Statewide, going by population (not land area), and we assume you are right that every single person outside of metro ATL is all dawg... then you are still conceding that 30% of the state us UGA and 70% is a hodge podge.

Do you understand?
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:20 am to
I think we have more of Atlanta than you think but that's just my opinion. It's still less than what the OP mentions. Also, these kids may have grown up in GA but they're not reflecting on our sec titles in 02 and 05. These are young, impressionable kids who focus on the past few years. Which, for the most part, has seen Georgia do well compared to most the nation but generally chokes vs the blue blood programs. So when stacked up vs the big time programs if anything our history works against us.

So, no to the OP. I think if Georgia lands more instate talent it isn't because we've had richt forever it'll be because of the new DC. I'm not even sure they will do better from here on but I'd like to think so.
Posted by dawgsjw
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:23 am to
Well I know a ton of people from GA, that might not of been born here, but grew up here. Just b/c your not born in GA doens't mean you can't grow up here. So with almost 10million people in Ga, you are saying maybe a small % is from here or grew up here?

And the top 15 recruits from last year in GA, we only landed 3 of them. Thats gotta change, dont youthink?
Posted by Damn Good Dawg
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:26 am to
So you lament Georgia's inability to lock down GAs top talent but think Richts long tenure will change these kids minds?
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:36 am to
Of the top ten from GA in this last class-

3 to UGA
2 to Auburn
2 to Caro
2 to Clemson
1 to Oh St


UGA's 3 were all top 5.

1 of Clemson's was a dual threat hunh qb and knew damn well he was a better fit for Dabo's system than Bobo's. He also had several friends from high school that already signed there and sold him on it, he was a Clemson commit very early. To make up for losing him, we took SC's #1 quarterback, Jacob Park, who is a much better fit for Bobo's system.

2 of Auburn's were the #2 and #3 rated CB's. We got the #1 CB.

USC got the #2 and #3 pass rushers (one wde, one olb). UGA got the #1.



Although not in the top 10, UGA also took the #1 and #2 offensive linemen.


All in all, not bad.

No complaints here.
Posted by dawgsjw
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:39 am to
Well since Richt has been here, our program has done better than it did in the 90s right? If you grow up and watch UGA that has winning seasons, and 2 SEC championships, and a couple of breaks away from a Natty vs uga of the 90s where they only won 63% of the games, compared to RIchts 74% (or so).
Posted by Lucius Clay
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:42 am to
Hard to get too excited until we can break the Alabama Mystique. When the program next door can have the pick of players nationally....well, we're not where we should or could be.

Too many top players still heading to 'Bama, Auburn, and Clemson. And even South Carolina....

Richt's "wall" around the state fell apart at least five years ago. And it was more of a picket fence anyway.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:42 am to
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Just b/c your not born in GA doens't mean you can't grow up here. So with almost 10million people in Ga, you are saying maybe a small % is from here or grew up here?



Big difference.

When you are two years old when mommy and daddy move here because there are no jobs in their poor state, lets us Alabama as an example, you can still grow up here, but daddy is going to be yelling Roll Tide every saturday on TV and you are not necessarily going to grow up a UGA fan. You may like UGA, and cheer for them, except when they play your real favorite team, the one that mommy and daddy dressed you up with your whole life. And when it comes time for you to sign, and you've got an offer from your favorite team Alabama and your second favorite team, UGA, which one are you going to sign with?

People that were actually born here, and are lucky enough to have parents were actually born here, of which there are many outside metro ATL, those kids are going to get dressed up in UGA stuff, go to UGA ball games, daddy gets drunk and yells Go Dawgs on Saturdays... that kid is a totally different kid than the one who moved here when he was 2 years old.

Do you understand?
Posted by dawgsjw
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:45 am to
Last yr according to 247, we got 3 of the top 15 prospects in teh state of GA. Yeah I'm happy with who we got, but dont you think we coulda done better? I'm tired of having this attitude where its "good enough". Thats why we can't win a national championship.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 10:55 am to
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Last yr according to 247, we got 3 of the top 15 prospects in teh state of GA. Yeah I'm happy with who we got, but dont you think we coulda done better? I'm tired of having this attitude where its "good enough". Thats why we can't win a national championship.



Its all relative.

We also took two top ten players from NC....

Lamont Gaillard and Jeb Blazevich

We took the #1 RB out of Florida.

We took the #1 QB out of SC.

When you want to play this game, you have to go through our recruit list, figure out which out of state players you would like to put back on the shelf to make room for the local players that other schools took.

For example, Auburn got Dontavius Russell, we got Gaillard. Would you rather we put back Gaillard and keep Russell?

Watson went to Clemson, but we took Park. Would you rather we put back Park, and take Watson? I would say yes on that one, except I know Bobo would let him rot on the bench.

Alot of the top talent in GA this year were CB's and ATH's, which we are already really deep at, and really young on the roster. We really didn't need very many. We still got the #1 DB in the state.


Posted by Timber Dawg
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:02 am to
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Richt has been here 13yrs, so an 18yr old signing would of been 5 when Richt got here


Damn I feel old
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:02 am to
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Dont get confused by land area. 70% of the population is in metro ATL. Statewide, going by population (not land area), and we assume you are right that every single person outside of metro ATL is all dawg... then you are still conceding that 30% of the state us UGA and 70% is a hodge podge. Do you understand?


Then compare population percentages. The state of Alabama's population is on par with the state of georgia minus atlanta. Same with South Carolina. Add in the fact you have a percentage of that additional population, you have more base in which to start.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:09 am to
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Then compare population percentages. The state of Alabama's population is on par with the state of georgia minus atlanta. Same with South Carolina. Add in the fact you have a percentage of that additional population, you have more base in which to start.


And that fact supports what point?


70% of the population is a hodge podge of fanbases, so 70% of the high school kids don't necessarily have any loyalty or allegiance to UGA, or at least weren't raised to.

Posted by Dawgs9
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:16 am to
As long as Aladamnbama is winning and winning and winning they will continue to pull player after player there, UGA and other schools will get some of whats left
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:20 am to
If 247 Sports had two different lists for Georgia, one was metro Atlanta high schools and the other is the rest of the state, you'd see UGA dominating the rest of the state, the way the schools you mentioned dominate their state.

When you throw in the hodge-podge metro area, it looks like pretty much everyone is taking a bite, because pretty much everyone has an established fanbase of at least 100,000 people in the area, and the kids grow up as fans of other schools.

When you combine these two lists, where 70% of the kids are hodge-podge, you are obviously going to have alot more attrition to out of state schools.

If 200,000 UGA grads decided to go set up a colony in Alabama, get married, have kids, raise them up UGA fans, how do you think the 247 Alabama Top 25 recruiting list would look in 18 years?

Now imagine if Clemson, Tennessee, and South Carolina grads all did the exact same thing.

People would be pissed that Auburn and Bama weren't locking down the state... losing too many recruits to out of state schools.







Go down to Orange Beach and Gulf Shores Alabama... it's a hodge podge of LSU, Florida, Bama, Auburn, UGA, Ole Miss, FSU, etc....

Now imagine if 70% of Alabama's population was Orange Beach.

Your recruiting rankings in-state would look like shite too.




This post was edited on 2/9/14 at 11:23 am
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:21 am to
Well first off your statement that 70% states population atlanta is incorrect. It's a little over 50%

You compared atlanta, a city that is a hodgepodge, to alabama, the state. I pointed out that outside of atlanta, the two states are more comparable. Now add in the fact, you still hold a larger percentage of the fanbase in atlanta, you still own the state by a significant portion, both population and land area.
Posted by Leghumper
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:23 am to
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if you drive around the rest of the state, its Uga


except in western georgia it's auburn, in southwestern and southcentral georgia it's FSU, in eastern central georgia it's SCU and clemson, etc..

UGA has good inroads to a lot of talent, but a lot of kids who play hs football here have allegiances to many neighboring schools..
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:25 am to
I don't really care if we get them from GA, FL, TX, or AK. I want us to get the best talent and the best fit for our program. Just because the player is a top GA prospect doesn't mean he is the best fit for our team.

But even if we wanted every one of the top players from GA, some of those players just won't want to play for UGA no matter what we do to recruit them. Some of them just want to go out of state. Some of them grew up as fans of other schools.
Posted by deeprig9
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Posted on 2/9/14 at 11:29 am to
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Well first off your statement that 70% states population atlanta is incorrect. It's a little over 50%


It's actually 62%.

Your number comes from the MSA which was determined in the 70's, the new CSA that reaches out a little further to include the suburbs that didn't exist in the 70's includes another 500,000 people.

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