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Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:29 am to RedPants
quote:This isn’t sports-related and relevant?
A DT88 thread deteriorated into another run of the mill vaccine argument. FFS.
I think we’re into double-digits now of professional soccer players either dropping dead on the field or having heart attacks in the middle of games or practice. And more and more reports of kids in youth sports ending up in the hospital with the appearance of heart attack like symptoms and then being diagnosed with myocarditis. And only in the vaccinated.
So why is it wrong to be curious about DT’s death?
We don’t really know the for sure cause, and yet a certain faction of people here are already insisting it’s 100% related to a car accident from years ago, and to question them is stupid. And to even mention the possibility of a vax complication deserves mockery.
It wouldn’t have to be this way if that certain group of people weren’t such massive fricking douchebags. Just sayin.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:39 am to BeefDawg
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What’s ironic is that if he did test positive for covid, the government sure as shite would label him a covid death to pad the numbers
Except no one brought it up but YOU and the other anti-vax sheep.
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By the way, my point wasn’t pushing some definitive notion of him dying from the vax, nobody knows the truth yet. My point was to call out a dickhead for acting like just bringing up the question is general idiocy.
Everybody knows your “point” and this wasn’t the place for it. Read the room, you idiot.
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Again, as if young heathy athletes and children getting myocarditis and dying from heart attacks in the middle of playing sport events at 15,000+ times the normal rate isn’t happening
Cite the legitimate source or shut the hell up. And learn to recognize that myocarditis is not unique to any vaccine. It is an inflammatory response that some people experience as a part of their immune system being triggered. Yes, vaccines can cause it. Yes, viral infections (many different kinds) can cause it and at, stay with me here, exponentially higher rates. There’s been a lot of people who’ve had covid in the last two years, many whom had no idea. Use some logic instead of devolving into a Parler-fed buffoon every time you hear the “gong.”
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And that fricktard has the nerve to call me stupid when he clearly doesn’t know this is the case.
Oh, I know you’re stupid.
But to your point, I also know you just linked a TikTok compilation video as a source. quote:
Oh, and now VAERS, something that only doctors and medical professionals and patients can report to, and has strict requirements and medical codes to enter, on top of explicit patient and medical identifiers, and is then personally verified and validated by the treating physician with VAERS doctors before being confirmed and published, is being compared to open source bullshite propaganda sites.
You don’t even realize what you just did, do you? VAERS is and always has been open to anyone, anywhere, to make a claim of potential vaccine injury. Let me help you…
From the VAERS site itself:
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VAERS collects data on any adverse event following vaccination, be it coincidental or truly caused by a vaccine. The report of an adverse event to VAERS is not documentation that a vaccine caused the event.
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VAERS reports can be submitted voluntarily by anyone, including healthcare providers, patients, or family members. Reports vary in quality and completeness. They often lack details and sometimes can have information that contains errors.
Well no shite….
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No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.
Oh. So you actually had no idea what VAERS was, but it’s been your anti-vax Bible for months. And the entire project is also a government co-op project, so the irony of you believing the government on this but not that isn’t lost on anyone intelligent enough to simply read. Dipshit.
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Some of you are so fricking ignorant and suck at life. You’re the worst of us.
I do quite well for myself, thanks. You, on the other hand, are still the dumbest POS in the room.
On that note, I’m done schooling you. Bad enough this thread had to get hijacked because you tinfoil bitches just can’t help yourselves. Talk about a buncha Karens.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 9:51 am
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:51 am to BeefDawg
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We don’t really know the for sure cause, and yet a certain faction of people here are already insisting it’s 100% related to a car accident from years ago
Because the seizure started shortly after the car accident in 2019 before Covid was even a thing.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 9:59 am to RedPants
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Because the seizure started shortly after the car accident in 2019 before Covid was even a thing
I have no opinion on what killed the man.
But just because it started before covid, doesn't erase the possibility the jab made it worse/killed him.
But as previously stated by others. There is basically no way for us to know. Could easily have been unrelated.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:14 am to S1C EM
quote:For frick sake, who cares. It’s a goddamn video of Fauci, Biden, Gates, and the CDC head contradicting themselves.
Oh, I know you’re stupid. But to your point, I also know you just linked a TikTok compilation video as a source
And the other is merely a physician explaining how VAERS reporting actually works. Not just your cherry-picking and misleading claim of how it works.
quote:The fact you’re cherry-picking out only parts of the VAERS process means you’re a dishonest hack.
Oh. So you actually had no idea what VAERS was, but it’s been your anti-vax Bible for months. And the entire project is also a government co-op project, so the irony of you believing the government on this but not that isn’t lost on anyone intelligent enough to simply read. Dipshit.
You purposely ignore the parts where doctors at VAERS are required to follow up on each individual case reported to them by anyone, and only if they can reasonably validate the entire claim is it then actually published to the official stats.
And they only validate claims where the treating doctor can be questioned and actual validating questions are answered and supported with evidence like bloodwork, scans, and medical tests performed by treating medical professionals.
You purposely, or ignorantly, try to make it appear that any laymen person can just fabricate a report and it just gets lumped into the data with little or no verification. But that’s not close to true.
So either you don’t know shite, or you’re a dishonest a-hole.
quote:Really rich coming from the dickhead who started all this by mocking someone for simply raising the question of a possible vax complication.
Everybody knows your “point” and this wasn’t the place for it. Read the room, you idiot
You’re so smug in your virtue signaling superiority complex that you don’t even realize it was you who didn’t “read the room” properly.
quote:I did quote a legitimate source. But your ignorant dishonest arse thinks it’s akin to wikipedia, so yeah, frick you.
Cite the legitimate source or shut the hell up. And learn to recognize that myocarditis is not unique to any vaccine. It is an inflammatory response that some people experience as a part of their immune system being triggered. Yes, vaccines can cause it. Yes, viral infections (many different kinds) can cause it and at, stay with me here, exponentially higher rates. There’s been a lot of people who’ve had covid in the last two years, many whom had no idea. Use some logic instead of devolving into a Parler-fed buffoon every time you hear the “gong.”
For Christ sake, I post actual video of your government funded gods of science lying and contradicting themselves, and all you can do is ridicule me because TikTok is the host of the videos.
Holy hell you’re a frickin prick.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:26 am to BeefDawg
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You purposely ignore the parts where doctors at VAERS are required to follow up on each individual case reported to them by anyone, and only if they can reasonably validate the entire claim is it then actually published to the official stats. And they only validate claims where the treating doctor can be questioned and actual validating questions are answered and supported with evidence like bloodwork, scans, and medical tests performed by treating medical professionals.
Absolutely ZERO of this is true. I linked the entire site. Feel free to verify for yourself. As someone connected to the medical field, I know how it works (and how it doesn’t).
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You purposely, or ignorantly, try to make it appear that any laymen person can just fabricate a report and it just gets lumped into the data with little or no verification. But that’s not close to true.
That is exactly how it works. Go make one for yourself and see, dumbass. File a vaccine AE report to VAERS.
Sorry you’re too dense and can’t allow your dreams to be shattered by bringing yourself to understand the truth of it.
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Really rich coming from the dickhead who started all this by mocking someone for simply raising the question of a possible vax complication. You’re so smug in your virtue signaling superiority complex that you don’t even realize it was you who didn’t “read the room” properly.
That’s some cute redirection you’re going for there. Nobody’s buying it, but carry on.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 10:32 am
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:28 am to S1C EM
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anti-vax sheep.
When speaking about hesitation regarding covid vaccines. This is not fair. Now, if you only use this term for folks trying to find a connection to every stroke or heart problem, ok.
But I can't tell you how many people I know (myself included) Who are fully vax, kids also fully vax (to the point they can attend any public school in the country) and will not take this one. Especially will not give it to their kids.
That doesn't make them/me anti vax.
It's not political for me either. I will concede it is for many.
I personally believe most people in this country should take the vaccine. Anyone 50+ or obese. That covers a lot of our people. But I've had it. Am not 50 and not even close to obese. That doesn't make me anti vax.
I propose a waffle house meet up to solve this issue the two of you are having
ETA) I'm not sure if you throw around that term all the time or not. Not really stating it to you directly, as much as saying the term is being overused right now.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 10:33 am
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:36 am to retooc
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When speaking about hesitation regarding covid vaccines. This is not fair. Now, if you only use this term for folks trying to find a connection to every stroke or heart problem, ok.
I use the term to describe people who immediately try to make that connection and then, without supporting evidence, make the rounds proclaiming the connection, thereby passing along what we know as misinformation. I have no issue with your personal hesitancy or your choice not to be vaccinated. That’s for you to decide. It’s another thing entirely when you influence others with false information and connections between these things that you have zero evidence for. This doesn’t apply to you, or so it seems.
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I propose a waffle house meet up
I can’t beat the stupid out of a stupid person. There’s no fixing that.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:39 am to retooc
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ETA) I'm not sure if you throw around that term all the time or not.
I do not. I have never heard anyone else say it, actually. I’ve just always found it ironic how those folks call others sheep while blindly following and circle-jerking one another in their own echo chambers. Both sides have their sheep.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:43 am to S1C EM
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I can’t beat the stupid out of a stupid person. There’s no fixing that.
Shots are being fired left and right in this thread.
I did read earlier where you were bummed it was hijacked. I agree. DT deserves a great tribute thread if anyone does.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 10:43 am to retooc
FWIW, Merriam-Webster recently changed the definition of "anti-vaxxer" to include folks who oppose vaccine mandates.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:04 am to S1C EM
quote:You're such a fricking liar.
Absolutely ZERO of this is true. I linked the entire site. Feel free to verify for yourself. As someone connected to the medical field, I know how it works (and how it doesn’t).
That is exactly how it works. Go make one for yourself and see, dumbass. File a vaccine AE report to VAERS.
Sorry you’re too dense and can’t allow your dreams to be shattered by bringing yourself to understand the truth of it.
I even posted a video of a physician explaining how it works. But all you could do was ignore it because it was hosted on TikTok.
You go make a VAERS report out of thin air and it won’t ever see the light of day. Your temporary E-number that gets assigned won’t be validated unless a case manager at VAERS can get your claim validated. And that’s not happening simply because you say so.
All you’ve done here is prove you’re a tool and a dishonest piece of shite.
Nobody gives a flying frick that you’re a nurse, either. My wife is a nurse of 25 years and she’s the one who told me the VAERS reports only get published to the formal data if it’s been properly validated. At first I didn’t believe her because I too thought it was like wikipedia. But then I asked my doctor and also did some research, and it turns out the validation process is extensive and thorough.
On top of this, are you seriously going to act like young healthy athletes aren’t dying in significantly higher numbers than usual? And that kids aren’t being diagnosed with heart inflammation at outrageously higher rates than previously?
You have to be trying really hard to be this blind.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 11:08 am
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:07 am to VoxDawg
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FWIW, Merriam-Webster recently changed the definition of "anti-vaxxer" to include folks who oppose vaccine mandates.
This is Def what my post was about. Media and the hard core Corona scardie cats call everyone nit totally on board anti vax. It's stupid and not true.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:22 am to retooc
quote:I and my wife are vaxxed. But notice how as soon as we question something about the vax some dickhead is calling me an anti-vax goon? And acts like it’s us in an echo-chamber?
This is Def what my post was about. Media and the hard core Corona scardie cats call everyone nit totally on board anti vax. It's stupid and not true.
And he wonders why we consider them sheep.
I can say I get some of my information from Joe Rogan interviews, guys like Brett Weinstein, Tim Pool, random doctors in videos on YouTube or Rumble, and even in the Political sections of the Rant or Reddit… just a conglomeration of multiple sides of the debates which I ultimately parse and derive my own educated conclusions from, and meanwhile, this douche nozzle likely watches cable news MSM and politicos on Twitter and thinks he’s getting truth from Fauci, MSM panelists, and late night fricking comedians dancing with people in hypodermic needle suits.
frick these clowns.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:33 am to retooc
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:44 am to retooc
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But just because it started before covid, doesn't erase the possibility the jab made it worse/killed him.
you are correct, but why even bother to speculate when there are a limited number of facts on this? The narrative pushing is getting old (not pointing at you)
If info came out that said he was recently vaccinated and had complications, I would understand the skepticism. I'm just tired of cultural war bs ending up literally everywhere
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:49 am to VoxDawg
I'm with you. I meant they should not label everyone anti vax.
Sometimes my posts aren't super clear
Sometimes my posts aren't super clear
Posted on 12/13/21 at 11:50 am to mikehoncho69
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you are correct, but why even bother to speculate when there are a limited number of facts on this? The narrative pushing is getting old (not pointing at you
No doubt. Both sides are over reacting imo.
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