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re: D. Baker not playing in the Sugar per Kirby*
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:36 am to gatorhata9
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:36 am to gatorhata9
I guess Saban was right about the playoff killing the other bowls
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Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:37 am to gatorhata9
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If that makes him a quitter in your eyes, then so be it.
Quitting is what makes someone a quitter. My opinion has nothing to do with it.
Just like my opinion has nothing to do with what 2 + 2 equals. 2 + 2 is always 4. And quitting is always quitting.
Calling it a "financially sound decision" is just a rationalization. An excuse. A way to try and justify quitting.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:39 am to RD Dawg
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Don't recall anyone sitting out
those games.
It's nothing more than today's "me me me" culture. You never saw anyone do this until about 3 or 4 years ago, now more and more people are doing it and in 5 years you're probably going to have 50 people doing it.
I understand the rationale behind it of course, but there's nothign to really explain it other than today's social media culture among the youth. Don't give me the BS of "the playoffs have killed bowls"...starting in 1998 with the BCS all bowls but 1 were technically "irrelevant" but you never saw ANYONE pulling this.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:53 am to Jefferson Dawg
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Quitting is what makes someone a quitter. My opinion has nothing to do with it.
If you polled his teammates, what would their opinion be? Think they’d tell you he’s a quitter?
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:55 am to gatorhata9
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If you polled his teammates, what would their opinion be? Think they’d tell you he’s a quitter?
Can you not read???
Opinions don't change what 2 + 2 equals, Professor Chowderpop.
Do you want me to look up the definition of the word "quit" for you?
Posted on 12/28/18 at 9:57 am to AlaCowboy
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Any player can participate after their sophomore season. They can get policies up to a maximum of $5M. Top premium is about $20K/year.
Sure....and how many players can afford $20,000 a year?
And top is $5 million?
This really makes my point. Baker is thought to be a top 10 pick. The #10 pick (Josh Rosen) got a $17.5 Million contract with a $10.8 Million signing bonus. I wonder how many of us would risk $13 Million to play in one game? I mean, maybe if the fan base that criticizes him was willing to pony up the $17.5 million lost if he suffers a career ending injury.
Most people on here are upset because their team might lose a game. Maybe if the upset people were to come up with a $17 million insurance policy you might have a point. If he gets hurt, we move on with our life and think, "Wow! I hate it for him, but he sure was a DGD for playing!"
He losses security for himself and his family. I find it difficult to criticize a player for that decision. however, like I said, if the schools came up with an insurance policy based on projected NFL pay this might not happen.
Remember...the $17.5 million is just for the first contract, and does not cover all lost income for the remainder of his career. We could be talking about $50-60 Million dollars or more at stake.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:00 am to Peter Buck
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It’s valid to say that he should consider the potential loss of millions vs playing in a college game. I still don’t see where the line is definitively drawn for a guy who was considered a 1st round pick early in the season. The risk is the same if he is playing in the Belk Bowl or the National Championship.
We both know that a season can make the difference of being drafted #20 and #10. With bonuses etc. it can be the difference of $7-10 Million or more.
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The risk is the same if he is playing in the Belk Bowl or the National Championship.
Risk of injury is, but if you show out in a National Championship game against top tier talent it means more to scouts than if you show out against mid tier talent in the Music City Bowl.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:01 am to WG_Dawg
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It's nothing more than today's "me me me" culture. You never saw anyone do this until about 3 or 4 years ago
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:04 am to DawgCountry
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Get some perspective
Lol.
I'm sharing it.
No emotion. Im just not willing to do the double-standard when a player that I love makes a decision for himself over the team.
Baker gets to choose his path. Fans get to call him out on it.
I've heard more players have public comments about regrets of not getting that last game/season than I can remember. College isn't the pro's, and that is a good thing for players reflecting back.
Sony and Chubb coming back had a lot to do with talking to former players. About emotions. About family (that isn't there in the pros).
I wish Baker the best. No ill will. But it can't be refuted that he abandoned the team. He may or may not look back with regret. Regret happens more than you might think.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:07 am to DawgsLife
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you show out in a National Championship game against top tier talent it means more to scouts
You don't think Texas has top tier talent at WR? They do.
The hard part is having a QB who can deliver the ball. But Baker has an opportunity for another statement game (he has had many... but this collection of receivers may be better for the NFL than Oklahoma in the playoff last year).
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:10 am to djsdawg
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The reward is the difference.
There is no significant cash reward for playing in the playoff for a player vs the Sugar Bowl. If this is a business decision, then a college championship should have no affect on his pro future. This seems to me that the agents who make millions off the NFL are playing a dangerous game with the golden goose.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:10 am to DawgsLife
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but if you show out in a National Championship game against top tier talent it means more to scouts than if you show out against mid tier talent in the Music City Bowl.
Baker pretty much proved who he was during the season.I
really don't one game vs top tier or lower tier is gonna move em up or down on the board.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:21 am to meansonny
Baker also could have left after his Junior year. He didn’t. Obviously I want him to play, and he probably wants to as well, but when he sees his first round draft grade and the amount he can help his family with that sort of $ I’m sure it makes things increasingly more difficult on him.
This post was edited on 12/28/18 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:31 am to Dawgsontop34
Remember those shirts from the glory days?
TEAM
ME
Society has changed their thinking process. I blame participation trophies.
TEAM
ME
Society has changed their thinking process. I blame participation trophies.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:35 am to Dawgsfan81
HW wore one of those and left early.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:40 am to Peter Buck
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HW wore one of those and left early.
Exactly. And he has publicly stated that he regretted the decision.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:42 am to meansonny
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You don't think Texas has top tier talent at WR? They do.
The hard part is having a QB who can deliver the ball. But Baker has an opportunity for another statement game (he has had many... but this collection of receivers may be better for the NFL than Oklahoma in the playoff last year).
So. You would risk $17.5 million and play in a game?
If he got hurt and it ended his career, how much money would you send him to make up for the lost money?
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:43 am to Dawgsontop34
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sees his first round draft grade and the amount he can help his family with that sort of $ I’m sure it make things increasingly more difficult on him.
Playing in the game doesn't disqualify him from the draft grade.
And I dont doubt that it is a tough decision for him and his family. As a matter of fact, I think it will be so tough that he regrets it later.
I wish him the best. I truly do. I think it will be awkward on the sidelines. As a matter of fact, I am certain of it. Standing on the sideline when you know you could be contributing actually sucks. And young people don't enjoy things that emotionally suck.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:44 am to RD Dawg
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Baker pretty much proved who he was during the season.I
really don't one game vs top tier or lower tier is gonna move em up or down on the board.
Then why would he play and risk his livelihood?
I mean, it is easy for people who have nothing to lose sit back and criticize him.
Posted on 12/28/18 at 10:45 am to Rex Feral
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glorified scrimmage
The frick it is....get out of here with that shite.
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