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re: Cash Jones still proving some people wrong
Posted on 8/23/26 at 1:30 pm to meansonny
Posted on 8/23/26 at 1:30 pm to meansonny
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Is describing ability the same as criticizing it?
So, when you say someone is not good at what they do you are merely describing their ability and not criticizing it? Ok.
quote:Which has absolutely no bearing on what we are discussing. Whether he cares or not does not make the difference in what is "describing his ability" or criticizing him.
Do you think he cares? Do you think he cares what you care? Do you think he agrees with me that he wasnt a top 10 player in the country last season?
You are obviously taking this personally. My comments were merely trying to describe what I thought and not some personal criticism of you.
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Am i blind if I reference his 2025 stats on 3rd down? Go to cfbstats. See how many 3rd down conversions he got last season.
I went and did not see any stats for 3rd down conversions for individuals. Since you are claiming you have them, I ask that you provide a link.
Posted on 8/23/26 at 1:30 pm to DawgsLife
LINK
I have had issues with hyperlinks on this site. But if you copy/paste into a browser, it may work better.
Or go to cfbstats.com and the just follow the hyperlinks you want to find the information that you are searching.
(Go to teams for player specific data on Cash. Or go to conference or national if you want rankings on data. I doubt cash shows up on any of those)
I have had issues with hyperlinks on this site. But if you copy/paste into a browser, it may work better.
Or go to cfbstats.com and the just follow the hyperlinks you want to find the information that you are searching.
(Go to teams for player specific data on Cash. Or go to conference or national if you want rankings on data. I doubt cash shows up on any of those)
Posted on 8/23/26 at 1:33 pm to DawgsLife
He had 2 conversions on third down and one more TD (counts as a conversion, so 3 technically. But I wouldn't want to imply 3 conversions plus a TD)
He has 1 conversions on fourth down.
A total of 8 touches on third down (successful plays on 3 of them).
2 touches on 4th down (successful on one of them).
He has 1 conversions on fourth down.
A total of 8 touches on third down (successful plays on 3 of them).
2 touches on 4th down (successful on one of them).
Posted on 8/23/26 at 1:38 pm to DawgsLife
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not some personal criticism of you
Your semantics are hilarious.
Congratulations is not a compliment when referencing not dieing (birthday) or divorcing (wedding anniversary).
But it is a compliment when referencing an earned achievement (making a cut in football. Earning professional recognition).
Calling out the program is not a direct criticism of cash jones (indirect. Sure).
Calling me out for not specifically stating the coaches (when I said program) is directly criticizing me. Sorry. You couldn't have been more direct
I dont even know what your first language is anymore.
Posted on 8/23/26 at 1:46 pm to meansonny
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I have had issues with hyperlinks on this site. But if you copy/paste into a browser, it may work better.
No, your hyperlink worked fine!
I know it's a pain, and I didn't mean to be confrontational. I just couldn't find it. Looks like (Correct me if i am looking at it wrong) he was used in 7 games on 3rd down and was used 11 times. He gained 99 yards in those 11 attempts for a 9 yard average. It looks like they only have receptions and rushing attempt are not there. (That I see)
When they needed 3 yards or fewer he averaged picking up 3.5 yards.
When they needed 4-6 yards he averaged 5.0 yards
When they needed 7-9 yards he got 1 attempt and got 0 yards.
When they needed 10+ yards he averaged 12.43.
Looks like he had 11 attempts total and got 2 first downs.
2 of his attempts went for 15+ yards and another going for 25+ yards and he only got 1 first down out of that...which I can't hold that against him. I mean it seems like he got a bunch of yards.
Now. All that aside, I prefer to have a big 200-220 pound running back in the game when going for 5 or fewer yards, and somebody like him when going for 10+ yards. I honestly don't want to say he was a great option, but he wasn't a bad option. When you are facing 10+ yards on third down it's going to be tough for any RB to make a first down. We threw the ball to him 7 time needing 10+ yards. That's a situation I would prefer going to a TE or WR.
For me it is rarely a good option to go to a RB when you need 10+ yards on third down.
Regardless, I had no idea where to go to find those stats. That's handy to have.
Posted on 8/23/26 at 1:51 pm to meansonny
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But it is a compliment when referencing an earned achievement (making a cut in football. Earning professional recognition).
If you say so. When I played i never took it as a compliment if somebody said congratulations for making a good catch. Typically, they just said, "Great catch!" Maybe i should have been more forgiving.
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not a direct criticism of cash jones (indirect. Sure).
Fair enough.
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Sorry. You couldn't have been more direct
No sorry necessary. It was meant to be direct. I may not have been fair to you, though. I just remembered all of the people talking about how Cash Jones was awful during the season, and applied that unfairly to you.
This post was edited on 8/23/26 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 8/23/26 at 1:57 pm to DawgsLife
He is good. Serviceable. Probably more than serviceable.
But 3rd down and goalline situations make and brake games.
I disagree that the program did itself justice where he is our best option.
To credit the program, he wasnt relied upon often. Limited games with 3rd down touches. Limited attempts in those games. The majority of touches were going elsewhere (Zachariah, tight ends, and wide receivers).
But success is credited on 1st downs and touch downs. The percentage isn't great (I understand looking at yardage. But converting 3 of 11 on third down touches isn't good. Who cares what the yards are if it is a critical moment when we need a conversion).
His biggest contribution (other than blocking and decoying) was moving the line of scrimmage on 3rd and long to a 4th and more manageable. If we didn't convert or didn't pin the offense subsequently, then that isn't the biggest contribution.
Bowens moved the sticks more on 3rd downs on the ground. Gunner more than him. Frazier was about the same as cash. Cash got the bulk of the pass attempts on 3rd down from the running back spot (11 completions).
But 3rd down and goalline situations make and brake games.
I disagree that the program did itself justice where he is our best option.
To credit the program, he wasnt relied upon often. Limited games with 3rd down touches. Limited attempts in those games. The majority of touches were going elsewhere (Zachariah, tight ends, and wide receivers).
But success is credited on 1st downs and touch downs. The percentage isn't great (I understand looking at yardage. But converting 3 of 11 on third down touches isn't good. Who cares what the yards are if it is a critical moment when we need a conversion).
His biggest contribution (other than blocking and decoying) was moving the line of scrimmage on 3rd and long to a 4th and more manageable. If we didn't convert or didn't pin the offense subsequently, then that isn't the biggest contribution.
Bowens moved the sticks more on 3rd downs on the ground. Gunner more than him. Frazier was about the same as cash. Cash got the bulk of the pass attempts on 3rd down from the running back spot (11 completions).
Posted on 8/23/26 at 2:15 pm to meansonny
quote:That's fair.
He is good. Serviceable. Probably more than serviceable.
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But 3rd down and goalline situations make and brake games.
Agreed. We saw an excellent example of that at Florida several years ago, when we could not punch the ball in.
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Limited games with 3rd down touches.
Actually, probably a few more than that. Your link was for receptions and did not include rushing attempts. Granted he probably was not used a lot rushing on 3rd down, but i do seem to recall several times.
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But converting 3 of 11 on third down touches isn't good.
No. It is not. I would say that a lot also depends on the plays called and a few other factors like missed blocks, etc. I remember at least twice where he got big chunks of yardage (10 or more) and fell just short of a first down. A larger, more powerful back might have been able to get there, but apparently, our larger backs were not as good as catching the ball.
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Bowens moved the sticks more on 3rd downs on the ground.
I remember wondering why we were not using Bowens more in those situations. My only guess would be has was banged up a lot, and maybe that was it?
Anyway. Thanks for the link and the discussion.
Posted on 8/23/26 at 2:32 pm to DawgsLife
Cheers
On the left, you can toggle through Cash Jones rushing stats. "Situational" breaks down by down. Down and distance for 3rd down. And a few other scenarios.
It is a good website.
All of the stats are pretty reliable but pass broken up and qb hurries (subjective).
They have great QB efficiency stats.
I wish they had ESPNs QBR as well (which balances out a rating for a QB rushing and passing combined).
On the left, you can toggle through Cash Jones rushing stats. "Situational" breaks down by down. Down and distance for 3rd down. And a few other scenarios.
It is a good website.
All of the stats are pretty reliable but pass broken up and qb hurries (subjective).
They have great QB efficiency stats.
I wish they had ESPNs QBR as well (which balances out a rating for a QB rushing and passing combined).
This post was edited on 8/23/26 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 8/23/26 at 3:27 pm to meansonny
You good man?
Posted on 8/23/26 at 3:52 pm to Violent Hip Swivel
Cash played hard was a damn good dog, but against the standard of UGA RBs his role was more pass blocker and occasional pass catcher. Great spirit but not an Alpha goal line stalker....
Posted on 8/23/26 at 3:53 pm to meansonny
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But 3rd down and goalline situations make and brake games.
Are we arguing Cash Jones was helpful in those situations?
He’s a fine receiving back, but unless I’m misunderstanding the stats, only 2 of his 11 receptions on 3rd down led directly to a 1st last season. Two years ago it was 2 of 8.
He is also zero threat to run the ball so having him in short yardage situations made no sense to me. But I do agree he’s a fine 3rd and long back.
Posted on 8/23/26 at 5:19 pm to Dawgsontop34
Zero threat and a detriment in important downs when they went hurry up on 4th and short vs Alabama and Notre Dame or Ole miss...can't remember exactly but it happened a couple of times
Posted on 8/23/26 at 6:24 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
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You good man?
Hanging in there like a hair in a biscuit.
Work kicks my tail.
But that is why they call it work and not fun.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:12 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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You good man?
For some reason I'd convinced myself that meansonny was always a rational poster, which I don't understand why all of a sudden he's turned into a disrespectful football scientist.
Football's not a science. It's subjective as shite. Trying to turn football into a science and typing all prosey and wonky like it's a research paper is one of most annoying things that someone can do on a message board. Also bating people and name calling and insulting others is another one of the most annoying things that someone can do on a football message board.
meansonny seems to be crashing out. I just hope he can pull it together by the season opener versus Tennessee Tech!
This post was edited on 8/24/26 at 2:14 am
Posted on 8/24/26 at 7:32 am to meansonny
meansonny is upset that Cash Jones can't pick up 30 yards on a 3rd and 30 but only picks up 28 yards. Cash Jones gave his best on every play but that's not good enough for some Monday Morning Coaches. That's why Stetson Bennett was trashed by so many in here for years. Back to Back NCs mean nothing to some.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 7:39 am to AlaCowboy46
I remember when Cash Jones caught a pass and ran over like 2 Gator defenders on an option route for a TD.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 7:41 am to Wwarmouth
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Zero threat and a detriment in important downs when they went hurry up on 4th and short vs Alabama and Notre Dame or Ole miss...can't remember exactly but it happened a couple of times
It was Bama and someone whiffed on a block or missed an assignment. People who don’t understand football got mad at Cash and Bobo. This is common.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 8:41 am to Peter Buck
There were multiple instances but yes bama was one.
Missed blocks are going to happen, thats why the person in the game should be the best player and not the player that has to have everything go right for the play to be successful.
Missed blocks are going to happen, thats why the person in the game should be the best player and not the player that has to have everything go right for the play to be successful.
Posted on 8/24/26 at 2:32 pm to meansonny
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And your claim of "wide receiver skills" is unfounded. His skills are no different than a huge percentage of running backs in 2026 who are asked to attack defenses with the passing game.
This is where you really lost me lol. Who were all of these great pass catching backs we faced last season, better than Cash? A huge percentage of running backs look awkward and unnatural in the passing game.
This post was edited on 8/24/26 at 2:34 pm
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