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re: Anyone else think Beck is going to get it together the rest of the season?
Posted on 10/25/24 at 8:38 pm to deeprig9
Posted on 10/25/24 at 8:38 pm to deeprig9
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Damn I just read this from an SC fan, don't know if accurate, but interesting:
It was a totally different sport back then. Apples and Oranges.
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Posted on 10/25/24 at 8:52 pm to djsdawg
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It was a totally different sport back then. Apples and Oranges.
66% completion rate, and average less than 1 INT per game in his career, do you think we should bench him and see what Gunner/Rashada/Puglisi can do so we can be better than #2 in the country according to the AP?
That's really what I'm getting at.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 9:14 pm to Peter Buck
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What should have happened was 11 gets off the contact and turn back expecting the ball.
In other words, Smith's timing to stop was late, but I suppose it is still possible Beck threw it early or inaccurately. Seems like a throw for a different kind of WR anyways. A bigger bodied guy like Colbie.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 10:02 pm to deeprig9
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66% completion rate, and average less than 1 INT per game in his career, do you think we should bench him and see what Gunner/Rashada/Puglisi can do so we can be better than #2 in the country according to the AP?
That's really what I'm getting at.
Certainly not.
Posted on 10/25/24 at 10:16 pm to djsdawg
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In other words, Smith's timing to stop was late, but I suppose it is still possible Beck threw it early or inaccurately. Seems like a throw for a different kind of WR anyways. A bigger bodied guy like Colbie.
If you watch the film, he got tangled up with the DB as the ball was released. The ball appeared to go where he should have been. In my experience, any player can run a curl or stop type route. They are pretty common.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:38 am to djsdawg
No matter how you spin it, it was a bad play call and an inaccurate pass by Beck.
1. The defender was watching Beck the entire time while Smith was running with his back to Beck aka Smith did not see the pass until he turned around to look for the ball and it was too late to adjust to the inaccurate pass by then.
2. If Smith had stopped sooner, the pass still would have been high and outside. The defender saw the pass coming and adjusted to the outside of Smith and the pass hit the defender right between the shoulders as if Beck was throwing to the defender instead of Smith.
3. In other words, Beck threw the pass as if Smith was running a out pattern instead of a curl route.
4. If Beck had simply waited for Smith to make his move, he probably could have thrown the pass inside for a completion since the defender seemed intent on outside containment.
I don't like this kind of timing throw to a spot on our 22 yard line with the defender watching the QB. All the defender has to to do is disrupt the timing of the route and look for a pick 6 which is almost what happened.
You can bet that other teams will be looking at this play and coaching their DBs to play it exactly as Texas did.
We should do a stop and go pattern to the inside as a counter with Beck doing a pump fake to the sideline and then throwing to pass to the inside after Smith makes his go move down-field.
1. The defender was watching Beck the entire time while Smith was running with his back to Beck aka Smith did not see the pass until he turned around to look for the ball and it was too late to adjust to the inaccurate pass by then.
2. If Smith had stopped sooner, the pass still would have been high and outside. The defender saw the pass coming and adjusted to the outside of Smith and the pass hit the defender right between the shoulders as if Beck was throwing to the defender instead of Smith.
3. In other words, Beck threw the pass as if Smith was running a out pattern instead of a curl route.
4. If Beck had simply waited for Smith to make his move, he probably could have thrown the pass inside for a completion since the defender seemed intent on outside containment.
I don't like this kind of timing throw to a spot on our 22 yard line with the defender watching the QB. All the defender has to to do is disrupt the timing of the route and look for a pick 6 which is almost what happened.
You can bet that other teams will be looking at this play and coaching their DBs to play it exactly as Texas did.
We should do a stop and go pattern to the inside as a counter with Beck doing a pump fake to the sideline and then throwing to pass to the inside after Smith makes his go move down-field.
This post was edited on 10/26/24 at 8:47 am
Posted on 10/26/24 at 8:48 am to GurleyGirl
So, what you are saying is you never played football, nor do you understand it, yet, you have somehow tricked yourself into thinking you know how this stuff works. This is what I am reading.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:01 am to Peter Buck
Some don't realize what rythym passing is where the ball is thrown before the wr breaks.
We didn't only lose Bowers, RJS, and McConk we lost Rara and Colby as well.
Have our big play wr playing a possession role and playing young guys at te. TE is the position built to catch balls over the middle in traffic.
We didn't only lose Bowers, RJS, and McConk we lost Rara and Colby as well.
Have our big play wr playing a possession role and playing young guys at te. TE is the position built to catch balls over the middle in traffic.
Posted on 10/26/24 at 9:16 am to lewis and herschel
What we are seeing is insight into how uninformed opinions become reality. Broken down and explained by a perpetrator.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:56 am to grey
Hopefully, but his play reminds me of Murray in 2013 and Fromm in 2019. Both of those seasons they had good seasons prior and struggled to some extent the following year in part because receivers weren't getting open. It seems like for a QB once the receivers aren't getting open; then it becomes mental for the QB and OC. The OC will dial up more safe pass plays that result in short yardage. QB uses his check down more and maybe loses confidence. Then none of those QBs were really known as dual threat. Carson can run but he prefers to stay in the pocket. Then you compound the o line problems and injuries at running back. I would imagine Kirby and Bobo want to be more of a running offense the rest of the year but just don't know if we have the O line.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 1:45 pm to Whiznot
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Chic-Fil-A still sucks.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 5:02 pm to lewis and herschel
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The wr was jammed so hard down the field that he cut off the route. Should have been defensive holding.
Then Beck shouldn't have thrown the ball.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 5:55 pm to AlaCowboy
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The wr was jammed so hard down the field that he cut off the route. Should have been defensive holding.
Then Beck shouldn't have thrown the ball.
Yea, these plays blindly throwing to a spot suck. All it takes is the defender disrupting the route which is exactly what happened.
And yea, I know I'm part of the dummy brain trust who doesn't understand football/timing routes but what I do have is common sense and can see the obvious.
Beck should have seen what was happening and either not make the pass to Smith or throw to the inside right to his body since the defender had outside protection between Smith and the sideline.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 7:55 pm to Peter Buck
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If you watch the film, he got tangled up with the DB as the ball was released.
The DB grabbed his arm and kept him from turning. That was the defensive PI the official saw and called. He even confirmed it to the referee when he said PI and called the DBs number. After they got scared by the unruly fans and huddled he said he "erred" in the call. The referee probably told him to change his call.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:01 pm to GurleyGirl
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while Smith was running with his back to Beck aka Smith did not see the pass until he turned around to look for the ball and it was too late to adjust to the inaccurate pass by then.
Receivers today (and for the last 20 years) know what a timing pass is based on the play called. QBs release those balls before the receiver even starts his turn. When the DB holds the receiver they can't turn. That is what happened. Watch the play and you'll see. Watch closely, the hold is quick, or you'll miss it.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 8:25 pm to AlaCowboy
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Receivers today (and for the last 20 years) know what a timing pass is based on the play called. QBs release those balls before the receiver even starts his turn. When the DB holds the receiver they can't turn. That is what happened. Watch the play and you'll see. Watch closely, the hold is quick, or you'll miss it.
Oh, I saw the hold plain as day. The ref called it and had to the fans not interrupted play by throwing stuff on the field, Georgia would have run the next play with a first down.
But my simple point is, opponents watch film and see these timing patterns and all they have to do is disrupt the pattern and look for the pass while the receiver has his back to the QB.
I can easily see that as a defensive strategy and it worked for Texas and led to a cheap TD because the refs succumbed to crowd pressure.
And considering all the turnovers Beck has had and all the dropped passes by our receivers, if I'm Beck, I want know that my receiver is looking for the ball and I throw pass right into his body where only he can catch it.
Too often Beck throws too high and hard on short passes which can lead to an INT if the receiver can't hang on, whereas if you throw the pass low, right into his chest, yea you might still get a drop but it will be much less likely to be intercepted.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:29 pm to GurleyGirl
And if they bite on these patterns, we run a stop and go and rip them for 6. That is football
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:19 am to Peter Buck
Yea, I like the wrinkles off the same pattern that opponents saw go for an INT on film.
Something like this. And yea, my drawing in Paint sucks:
Something like this. And yea, my drawing in Paint sucks:
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:15 am to Peter Buck
Appears the QB and the receiver agreeing on the pattern is important.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:39 am to RealDawg
That is the real issue.
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