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re: 2022 Recruiting Thread (EJ Lightsey is a Dawg!)

Posted on 8/28/21 at 6:39 am to
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 6:39 am to
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It's still not the SEC. Sounds like the kid needs to consider whether he's ready for the big time. If he's not, staying close to home and going to UNC may be good enough.
Look at it another way. Since 2016 North Carolina has put 2 defensive linemen in the NFL. Georgia is yet to put one. That is why Jordan Davis is so important. We have to change the perception that we can't put DLinemen into the NFL. It's been quite awhile since it's happened, but that should change quickly with Davis, Travon Walker, Jalon Carter, etc.

Kids want to play in the NFL. That's the bottom line.

When you look at NC becoming an up and coming program, puts DLinemen in the NFL, close to his home, etc his decision really makes sense.

This post was edited on 8/28/21 at 6:41 am
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 8:37 am to
Espn has tyler clark and malik herring on the chiefs.

Espn also lists one defensive lineman from UNC in the nfl.

Its not just you. I hear media guys butcher the facts and say that no UGA DL has been drafted since David Pollack. There is a lot of laziness with facts to get some errant point across.

LINK espn/unc players in nfl

LINK espm/uga players in nfl
This post was edited on 8/28/21 at 8:41 am
Posted by Dawgfan247
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:55 am to
Ledbetter too. On the Dolphins.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 10:33 am to
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LINK espn/unc players in nfl

I am showing Aaron Crawford and Jason Strowbridge from this list. However, I am also showing that Nazair Jones was drafted. Not sure what happened with him. Maybe ESPN does not show him since he is a free agent?
If you notice the list also does not include Todd Gurley or Geno Atkins. They are free agents.

Anyway...if I am a high school kid I am wanting to know who is going to get me drafted. I do not show any DLineman being drafted from Georgia since 2016. (I choose 2016 because that was Kirby's first year) I mean, yes. A player can come play at Georgia and then go to a team as an undrafted free agent, but most kids want to be drafted. We simply have not done as well developing our DLinemen as North Carolina has. That could be a problem of coaching, kids work ethic, lack of talent...whatever. It all about perception.

Hopefully we change that perception with Davis, Walker and Carter...maybe one or two others.

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Espn has tyler clark and malik herring on the chiefs.
Neither were drafted, I don't think.

ETA
I am not saying you are wrong. I am just trying to give an alternate reason why a kid might choose NC over Georgia. It could be as simple as not clicking with the coaches.







This post was edited on 8/28/21 at 10:36 am
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 11:59 am to
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It's still not the SEC. Sounds like the kid needs to consider whether he's ready for the big time


What an awful take.
Posted by FirstCityDawg
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 12:08 pm to
To someone’s point earlier, the lack of drafted UDA DL will/should change very soon. Davis, Wyatt and possibly Walker this year.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 3:23 pm to
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To someone’s point earlier, the lack of drafted UDA DL will/should change very soon. Davis, Wyatt and possibly Walker this year.


Yes. That was my point. Hopefully we start a nice chain of players going to the NFL. That will help enormously. I hate that we missed on Shaw (At least for now) but it is what it is. The other site is hinting that we are clawing our way back into the bear sweepstakes. We need a 0 technique guy badly, but the rest of the DLine will be lights out in this class.

Our coaches seem to do a good job identifying DLine talent (Jordan Davis) so even if we have to "settle" for a lower ranked recruit for 0 tech, I think we will be okay in the long run. It is the short term that worries me.

ETA
I don't mean to sound condescending....but in case some people do not know what we mean when we talk about 0 tech, 3 tech and 5 tech...

0 tech-head up with center. Usually biggest guy in a 3 man line at 300+ lbs...but closer to 320LBS

3 tech-usually lined up between guard and tackle on offensive line and usually in a 4 man front. A little smaller than a 0 tech guy. About 290-310LBS

5 tech-usually a DE type player lined up on a tackle or TE on outside shoulder and in a 4 man line. Lighter still at around 265+

Again. Just in case some people are wondering what we are talking about. If I am explaining it poorly or wrong, please feel free to correct me.
This post was edited on 8/28/21 at 3:30 pm
Posted by Lucius Clay
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 7:19 pm to
Geez... it's not like we haven't put DLs in the NFL. In addition to the several names already mentioned, what about Stroud and Seymour?

And look at how we've gotten players drafted overall, not just by position. It's Georgia, for God's sake. If kid was choosing Alabama or Ohio State...okay, maybe. But UNC? Ummm, no. Don't care if Bear Bryant returned from the grave to coach in Chapel Hill.
Posted by Lucius Clay
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 7:22 pm to
I stand by it. I would go further and say kid may need to toughen up and see the light.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 8:35 pm to
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Geez... it's not like we haven't put DLs in the NFL.


It's been awhile since they have been drafted. It's every kids dream to be drafted into the NFL.

Thank you for proving my point.
Stroud was drafted in 2001.
Seymore was drafted in 2001, too.

High school players were not even born when they were drafted.

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And look at how we've gotten players drafted overall, not just by position. It's Georgia, for God's sake. If kid was choosing Alabama or Ohio State...okay, maybe. But UNC? Ummm, no. Don't care if Bear Bryant returned from the grave to coach in Chapel Hill.
UNC has gotten more kids on the DLine drafted than Georgia has. Take your red & Black glasses off.


Let me help you understand. If you are a kid from NC, that does not care about Georgia one way or the other....are you going to sign with the home town team that gets players drafted into the NFL, or are you going to a school away from home that has gotten nobody drafted at your position?

If we win a National Championship, or if we get kids drafted (Davis, Carter, Walker) that might change.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 8:37 pm to
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I stand by it. I would go further and say kid may need to toughen up and see the light.




See what light? The kid was in Middle School when we played for the National Championship.
To him that is ancient history. Do you not remember when you were a kid? 4 years was a lifetime back then.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:04 pm to
Glad to see you’re already starting your trolling mode before the game threads start
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 8/28/21 at 9:24 pm to
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ETA
I am not saying you are wrong.


I am exactly saying that you were wrong.
If your point was that no uga dl was drafted since 2016, say that.
Words matter. You were wrong.
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I am just trying to give an alternate reason why a kid might choose NC over Georgia. It could be as simple as not clicking with the coaches.


I get it. Weve had bad luck and issues on the DL (malik's injury after being the best DL at the senior bowl).
But rodney garner and richt didnt do us favors either.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/29/21 at 6:49 am to
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I am exactly saying that you were wrong.
If your point was that no uga dl was drafted since 2016, say that.
Words matter. You were wrong.

LITERALLY at the top of the page I said this:Look at it another way. Since 2016 North Carolina has put 2 defensive linemen in the NFL. Georgia is yet to put one.

Lucius rejected that.

quote:

I get it. Weve had bad luck and issues on the DL (malik's injury after being the best DL at the senior bowl).
But rodney garner and richt didnt do us favors either.


I never said they did, and my posts were not pointing fingers at anybody. It takes time to develop a good OLine and DLine. We are just now getting there with our DLine with Davis, Carter and Walker....hopefully one or two more. Am I missing something, or are you just jumping into a conversation without reading the conversation?

You tell me. Why did Travis Shaw choose NC. I would be willing to bet you come up with the exact same reasons I stated.

1. Our lack of developing DLinemen for the draft in recent years.

2. NC having at least 2 DLinemen drafted in recent years.

3. NC being an up and coming program.

4. NC being home.

5. Possible connection to NC coaching staff. They did a good job recruiting him.

I am curious why you think Shaw committed to NC.
This post was edited on 8/29/21 at 6:54 am
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 8/29/21 at 7:53 am to
3, 4, and 5 are the biggest reasons.
Posted by DawgsLife
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Posted on 8/29/21 at 11:55 am to
Yeah. I can see that.

I think, sometimes, I get a little frustrated when people think, "We are Georgia! Recruits are going to automatically come here!"

There are tons of reasons and a complex thought process that goes into a recruits decision making process. And every recruit is different. They all have different things they are looking for.

Some want a coaching staff that makes them feel at home. Some want development. Some want an up and coming program. Some want championships. Some go where their parents want them to go. Some want early playing time. To try to boil it down to "We are Georgia!" is too simplistic and naive.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
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Posted on 8/29/21 at 1:25 pm to
I hear and no one actually knows but those are the reasons given by SoFla so I trust it. By the way, if you’re not on that board already you should join up,
Posted by DawgsLife
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Member since Jun 2013
60645 posts
Posted on 8/29/21 at 1:42 pm to
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I hear and no one actually knows but those are the reasons given by SoFla so I trust it. By the way, if you’re not on that board already you should join up,




I am signed up and read it a couple of times a day. I am not as "in the know" as most on the board, so I have not posted. I do go for the information, though.

I have spotted several from this board, but I am sure there are more under different names. I figured you were on there and tried to figure out which name you posted under...but I am not as good about spotting phrasing etc to figure out who is who.
This post was edited on 8/29/21 at 1:55 pm
Posted by meansonny
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Posted on 8/29/21 at 3:03 pm to
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LITERALLY at the top of the page I said this:Look at it another way. Since 2016 North Carolina has put 2 defensive linemen in the NFL. Georgia is yet to put one


Per my link, UGA has Tyler Clark, JLed, and Malik Herring.

It is semantics. UGA hasnt had anyone drafted (Maliks injury prevented that). But UGA is putting DL in the league.

I got onto the Sports Illustrated guys who claimed that no Dawg has been drafted since David Pollack on a podcast. We dont need to be spreading misinformation that doesnt help recruiting.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 8/29/21 at 3:23 pm to
porter is just porter I think, meansonny and I are the same...
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