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re: 2019 Recruiting Class (NSD - Today; 5* WR George Pickens flips to UGA from Auburn)
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:01 am to DawgsLife
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:01 am to DawgsLife
What? Alabama had to change their offensive philosophy at halftime to beat us. Their reactance to change before that cost them the sec west and would have cost them a national title shot in most years. Now we see them maintain and elevate what we saw in the second half, and it makes some of us realize we got to change as well if we want any chance of beating them.
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Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:05 am to RedFive
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I can count at least 3 balls that should have been caught
Swift and Godwin, but the passes weren’t perfect in either case.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:15 am to RedFive
When a player decommits, in most cases, they don’t come back.
Barring a change in starting QB (Haselwood tight w/ Fields) and a revamped passing game - Haselwood is Gone.
Barring a change in starting QB (Haselwood tight w/ Fields) and a revamped passing game - Haselwood is Gone.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:15 am to djsdawg
Well...losing him sucks. No way around it. shite
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:22 am to djsdawg
quote:Not really. Jalen Hurts almost cost them the game, not their philosophy. Hurts is known as a mainly running QB. If taht truly were the only key, they would have left Hurts in. The missing ingredient was a passing game, not a running QB.
Their reactance to change before that cost them the sec west
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would have cost them a national title shot in most years.
How many titles have they won with that outdated old style philosophy?
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 7:25 am
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:23 am to Sandwich
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Well...losing him sucks. No way around it. shite
That's really all we can say. The bright side is that the proven way to win in the SEC is on the lines, not at WR. And it's not like we are hurting for talent at WR anyways.
If he wants to be the focal point of an offense, UGA probably isn't the right choice for him anyways. However, I do think that our passing game picks up as the year goes on. We could be throwing 50 times a game and probably winning by bigger margins, but Kirby/Chaney have been making a concerted effort to get the ground game going and create a balanced offense.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:34 am to DawgsLife
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really. Jalen Hurts almost cost them the game, not their philosophy. Hurts is known as a mainly running QB. If taht truly were the only key, they would have left Hurts in. The missing ingredient was a passing game, not a running QB.
Saban has evolved over time. It’s not the same outdated offense. Guess you missed it. Bama changed their philosophy big time starting when kiffin arrived. Hurts couldn’t effectively run that offense vs strong defenses. Tua can, but saban still wasn’t smart enough to make the change earlier, and Bama is lucky they still had a shot at a mnc despite that mistake.
This post was edited on 10/3/18 at 7:43 am
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:40 am to RedFive
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73% completion rate on the season leaves a lot to be desired?
Please stop spouting that meaningless stat. Our passing offense is pedestrian at best and certainly wasn’t anything to write home about during the Tennessee game.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:50 am to HTDawg
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Our passing offense is pedestrian at best
What is pedestrian to you?
Or better question is how many passing offenses out there aren’t pedestrian? 5?
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:51 am to DawgsLife
Bama began a philosophic change around the time Lane Kiffin stepped in as OC. Had Saban not taken the chance to shift away from the ball control, game manager led offense, their dynasty would have ended a few years ago.
College football evolves over time. The wishbone was once the system in vogue as well.
College football evolves over time. The wishbone was once the system in vogue as well.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 7:52 am to HTDawg
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Please stop spouting that meaningless stat
How is 73% meaningless?
It isn't more important than 3rd down conversion or red zone conversion (both of which Fromm excelled at in 2017). But it certainly isn't meaningless.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:01 am to meansonny
Haselwood is an NFL talent and wants to be featured in an offense that will show him as a vertical threat. Currently, that isn’t our offense. Does the blame lay with Fromm or our play calling? I’m not sure, but I wouldn’t blame a top rated WR who is known for stretching the field not wanting to play in this offense. We throw out routes and screens, not a whole lot else. Sure, we might take one or two deep shots per game, but we’ve really struggled to connect on those this year. Haselwood would be an absolute beast in Oklahoma’s offense.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:02 am to HTDawg
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Please stop spouting that meaningless stat. Our passing offense is pedestrian at best and certainly wasn’t anything to write home about during the Tennessee game.
Come on man, meaningless? You can counterpoint better than that. Try again.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:24 am to crispyUGA
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Haselwood is an NFL talent and wants to be featured in an offense that will show him as a vertical threat. Currently, that isn’t our offense. Does the blame lay with Fromm or our play calling? I’m not sure, but I wouldn’t blame a top rated WR who is known for stretching the field not wanting to play in this offense. We throw out routes and screens, not a whole lot else. Sure, we might take one or two deep shots per game, but we’ve really struggled to connect on those this year. Haselwood would be an absolute beast in Oklahoma’s offense.
I don't think the blame falls squarely on one person.
Kirby's offensive philosophy isn't working with our current personnel. Chaney's gameplans and play design within that philosophy haven't lit the world on fire. Fromm's play within the system has seemingly regressed from last season.
Our current strategy will win a LOT of games, but personally I do not think it will consistently attract elite WR talent, and given the fact that we have to go through an evolved and improved Bama to win anything of consequence, I believe we will have to adapt sooner rather than later to get where all of us hope we are going.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:33 am to NCDawg52
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Fromm's play within the system has seemingly regressed from last season.
I just don't get that at all. He hasn't regressed. Our expectations for him have just changed tremendously.
He had bad games last season, but we seemingly forgot about them because we were so excited to get the win, and he was a Freshman. This year, expectations are higher, so when he has that game that isn't as good, it's a let down.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:35 am to Long Dawg
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When a player decommits, in most cases, they don’t come back.
Maybe, but Adam Anderson did last year.
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Barring a change in starting QB (Haselwood tight w/ Fields) and a revamped passing game - Haselwood is Gone.
Again. Maybe. But I am not changing QB's to land a commit form a kid if I am Kirby. Now, if Kirby says it's time for a change, then I am on board. Until then....
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:35 am to Dawgsontop34
Fromm hasn’t regressed but we have fallen further behind Bama due to tua.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:37 am to djsdawg
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Saban has evolved over time. It’s not the same outdated offense.
It was until this year. Are you saying that Alabama has not been a run first pass second team the last 10 years?
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Hurts couldn’t effectively run that offense vs strong defenses.
Not because eh couldn't run. He couldn't run the offense because he couldn't pass.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:43 am to Dawgsontop34
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I just don't get that at all. He hasn't regressed. Our expectations for him have just changed tremendously.
That's fair and perhaps I should phrase my analysis differently.
As a second year player and starter, it is fair to expect an increased level of play, effectiveness, etc from Fromm. To my view, he does not appear to have progressed at the rate expected, and in my opinion needed, for us to be successful at a high level.
He doesn't seem sharp on vertical routes, and while I'm not sure the reason, seems to be averse to reading and executing routes over the middle of the field.
The problem and the challenge when discussing our offense is that the statistics can be misleading. Our completion percentage is very high and is cited as a sign of health in the passing game, but I think it's masking the fact that we aren't nearly as dynamic as we should be based on our available weapons and what we will need to beat the big boys waiting in December.
Posted on 10/3/18 at 8:47 am to DawgsLife
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was until this year. Are you saying that Alabama has not been a run first pass second team the last 10 years?
I am saying the evolution started before this year. It became obvious in 2014. It was not that same 2008 offense then. Now the evolution has been completed, and we aren’t evolving ours to match it. That’s an issue we need to fix.
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