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re: 2015 UGA recruiting thread (commits, offers, etc)
Posted on 1/20/15 at 4:55 pm to wdhalgren
Posted on 1/20/15 at 4:55 pm to wdhalgren
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We have half a dozen guys with more experience and potentially just as much talent.
Experience, yes. Talent, no. Experience is extremely overrated without talent.
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Posted on 1/20/15 at 4:57 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
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I hitched my bandwagon dick to the Hawks and I don't even like basketball.
I just can't. I've watched the highlights of Korver draining threes and Horford and Milsap and Teague rotating the ball like they're fricking telepathic and it gets me a little rustled, but then I'll make plans to actually watch a game and just lose interest. I just cannot begin to give a shite about the NBA or the Hawks, as much as I want to.
This is my burden and I must bare it.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 4:57 pm to wdhalgren
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But nothing you've said disproves my assertion that Baker is not a huge depth need for the 2015 class.
Good thing you aren't one of the coaches. Every player on the 85 is a depth need. We don't need to ever end up in a situation where we are facing Bama in a championship game and unable to rotate because we have USC level probationary numbers on the defensive line and get ran over for 350 yards. Baker is a good player.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:02 pm to wdhalgren
Semantics. My statement was right on point chief. He is a depth need based on the lack of talent that currently plagues the secondary. Apologies for not putting it in the proper context for you, but to me that was obvious. I'm not going to get into it about the individual players in the secondary, especially ones that are walk-ons or jucos with one year of eligibility left. Besides Pruitt and others seems to think that he is a necessity.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:09 pm to Sanford&MunSon
I'm afraid your definition of semantics is incorrect. You said one thing and then you said something entirely different. And you followed with an assumption about relative talent that is pure speculation.
Pruitt wants him. That's the next iteration of your changing argument. It's the ultimate fallback position of message board logic so I'll play along once more. Yes coach Pruitt wants him, and so do I therefore. But that's not sufficient to disprove my point that losing him is not a huge blow to our depth. If we lost all, or most, of our cornerback recruits, I'd agree. As it stands, I believe we'll be fine either way and possibly even do quite well. There is a difference between coach Pruitt's ideal depth scenario and my assertion that losing Baker would not be a huge blow to our cornerback depth.
Pruitt wants him. That's the next iteration of your changing argument. It's the ultimate fallback position of message board logic so I'll play along once more. Yes coach Pruitt wants him, and so do I therefore. But that's not sufficient to disprove my point that losing him is not a huge blow to our depth. If we lost all, or most, of our cornerback recruits, I'd agree. As it stands, I believe we'll be fine either way and possibly even do quite well. There is a difference between coach Pruitt's ideal depth scenario and my assertion that losing Baker would not be a huge blow to our cornerback depth.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:10 pm to wdhalgren
I said depth. By depth I meant talent.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:16 pm to wdhalgren
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Davis, Fenteng, Parrish, Wilkerson, Bowman, Kennar Johnson should be healthy and Tristan Askew is a pretty good walk-on. All of those guys can play corner. Plus Briscoe, Deontai Williams incoming and Godwin and Slayton could play cornerback also. I think we'll be in better shape next year than the last two years.
Askew was a Senior this year and I'd be surprised if Kennar is on the team next year.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:28 pm to OptimusDawg
I went by Rivals, but you're correct. Georgiadogs lists him as a senior. As for Kennar Johnson, I hope he stays. His JUCO videos looked good and he does add depth. Nevertheless, we still will have about 16 DB's on roster next year, at least half of whom can play cornerback. That's if Baker and Wilson decommit. It's better than the last two seasons.
Once again, I'm not arguing against Baker, just saying that neither he nor Wilson leaving would be a big blow to our depth. If we lose 7 or 8 DB's to attrition like we did this year, then it would be more significant. Hopefully that's a rare event.
Once again, I'm not arguing against Baker, just saying that neither he nor Wilson leaving would be a big blow to our depth. If we lose 7 or 8 DB's to attrition like we did this year, then it would be more significant. Hopefully that's a rare event.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 5:39 pm to tylerdurden24
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I just can't. I've watched the highlights of Korver draining threes and Horford and Milsap and Teague rotating the ball like they're fricking telepathic and it gets me a little rustled, but then I'll make plans to actually watch a game and just lose interest. I just cannot begin to give a shite about the NBA or the Hawks, as much as I want to.
I watched part of the Detroit game and was bored out of my mind. I decided from that day forth that my contribution to the hawks might be a hat. It's the best I can do.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:08 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Experience, yes. Talent, no. Experience is extremely overrated without talent.
This is a point that I really disagree with, particularly at the college level. Experience is extremely important in college. A lot of these kids are getting their first real instruction in how to play the game. College schemes are a lot more complicated, and they have limited time to learn, and still attend class, have a social life etc. Many times I've seen an experienced team beat a vastly more talented but inexperienced opponent.
I think lack of experience has been a limiting factor for Mark Richt's Georgia teams. We lose a lot of players early to the NFL and to other forms of attrition, and we end up playing guys who don't know what they're doing. It happens everywhere, but Georgia is more dedicated than most about enforcing the rules.
Next year's defense will be interesting. DE and OLB will have a lot of continuity. The secondary has more players with game experience. Meanwhile, DT and MLB are relatively new. If I was a defensive coordinator, I'd run it straight at us, at least early in the year.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:21 pm to wdhalgren
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This is a point that I really disagree with, particularly at the college level. Experience is extremely important in college. A lot of these kids are getting their first real instruction in how to play the game. College schemes are a lot more complicated, and they have limited time to learn, and still attend class, have a social life etc. Many times I've seen an experienced team beat a vastly more talented but inexperienced opponent.
You can't teach slow players to be fast. You can't teach small players to get bigger. You can't coach instincts. DBs without ball skills aren't going to become ball hawks. No amount of experience fixes those things. If UGA doesn't get more talent on defense, UGA isn't going to win big. Getting by isn't the goal. Beating more talented teams every once in a while isn't the goal.
All of sports history shows that the more talented team wins more often than not. Talent is the most important ingredient in a winning team. Without it, you're team's ceiling is "overachiever." I don't want UGA to have to overachieve to win.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:34 pm to Crowknowsbest
Hold on I'm kinda lost we have a pretty good recruiting class coming in with the chance to land some other very good players and now we are bitching about the people Pruitt missed on? I'm excited to see how this class pans out and our depth at DB is a lot better than it has been in the past years
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:43 pm to Crowknowsbest
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You can't teach slow players to be fast. You can't teach small players to get bigger. You can't coach instincts.
All true, but players who know what to do don't have to think. That's a big advantage and it helps them play faster. A defensive back who has learned how to turn his head, or read the quarterback, or recognize a formation, can be a ball hawk. Anticipation is just as important as reaction. Simply playing in position all the time is a big positive.
If UGA can mitigate our attrition issues we will win more games. Experience in college is very important.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:46 pm to MSGADawg5988
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Hold on I'm kinda lost we have a pretty good recruiting class coming in with the chance to land some other very good players and now we are bitching about the people Pruitt missed on? I'm excited to see how this class pans out and our depth at DB is a lot better than it has been in the past years
I'm not bitching. Just saying we need more
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:47 pm to wdhalgren
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All true, but players who know what to do don't have to think. That's a big advantage and it helps them play faster. A defensive back who has learned how to turn his head, or read the quarterback, or recognize a formation, can be a ball hawk. Just playing in position all the time is a big positive.
You can teach talented players to do that.
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If UGA can mitigate our attrition issues we will win more games. Experience in college is very important.
Attrition is a reality of college sports. UGA has to prepare for it because they can't avoid it.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:56 pm to Dawg in Beaumont
Posted on 1/20/15 at 6:59 pm to Crowknowsbest
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You can teach talented players to do that.
Of course. Experience is the best teacher of all. They learn by screwing up and getting yelled at repeatedly. By watching film over several seasons. By seeing everything many times. I've done this, not in football, but in some pretty complicated endeavors. Experience is the best teacher and there is no good substitute.
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Attrition is a reality of college sports. UGA has to prepare for it because they can't avoid it.
I didn't say "avoid", I said mitigate.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 7:07 pm to wdhalgren
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Of course. Experience is the best teacher of all. They learn by screwing up and getting yelled at repeatedly. By watching film over several seasons. By seeing everything many times. I've done this, not in football, but in some pretty complicated endeavors. Experience is the best teacher and there is no good substitute.
Right, but if you don't have the requisite skills to eventually be good, no amount of experience will make you good. That's UGA's problem right now. Behind the front line of underclassmen, the talent isn't there.
This post was edited on 1/20/15 at 7:08 pm
Posted on 1/20/15 at 7:10 pm to Crowknowsbest
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if you don't have the requisite skills to eventually be good, no amount of experience will make you good.
Experience will make you better. Georgia lost three games this year, two of them by the slimmest of margins. We missed the MNC in 2012 by a hair. More experience is the difference between winning and losing close games. Eventually that adds up to championships.
Posted on 1/20/15 at 7:16 pm to wdhalgren
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Experience will make you better.
Better, not good or great.
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We missed the MNC in 2012 by a hair.
That team was way more talented defensively than what UGA currently is. Not a good example.
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