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re: 11-1 is VERY possible
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:00 pm to JacketFan77
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:00 pm to JacketFan77
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I don't think there's one way, but I will say we've been eating up defenses with our midline dive this year.
The middle dive hit us hard 2 years ago, iirc.
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Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:30 pm to JacketFan77
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I don't think there's one way, but I will say we've been eating up defenses with our midline dive this year
I'm one of the few who prefers to build the entire game plan against triple option dive.
Between the B Back and the QB following the BBack, that might be 20 snaps a game where I like my chances of winning if I can keep those under 2 yards.
Im the guy who wants the pitch. I'm the guy who wants the defense to try and string the ball carrier out to the sideline.
I know that is where the home runs come for your offense. But I will gladly take my chances with our team speed trying to use the sideline as the 12th defender.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:34 pm to DawgsLife
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The middle dive hit us hard 2 years ago, iirc.
Killed us in 14 if that's what your talking about
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:40 pm to meansonny
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Im the guy who wants the pitch. I'm the guy who wants the defense to try and string the ball carrier out to the sideline.
ALWAYS make the QB pitch. More chance of a mishandled ball.
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I know that is where the home runs come for your offense. But I will gladly take my chances with our team speed trying to use the sideline as the 12th defender.
And if your guys are disciplined you will have help on the outside. You are correct in the way you would play an option offense.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:41 pm to RD Dawg
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Killed us in 14 if that's what your talking about
That was it! Thanks!
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:43 pm to DawgsLife
Not everyone does that. Every coach has their own way (a conservative coach is afraid of the home run).
Regardless... you can't let a QB get comfortable with the looks. The defense and gaps need to change. Create doubt and hesitation.
One thing that I liked from Grantham in his second season is that he would bait the dive. Show something to the QB that tricks him into handing the ball to the B Back 17 times a game for 1 yard.
For every adjustment that our team makes, Johnson has 3 to throw back at us. Keep em guessing.
Regardless... you can't let a QB get comfortable with the looks. The defense and gaps need to change. Create doubt and hesitation.
One thing that I liked from Grantham in his second season is that he would bait the dive. Show something to the QB that tricks him into handing the ball to the B Back 17 times a game for 1 yard.
For every adjustment that our team makes, Johnson has 3 to throw back at us. Keep em guessing.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:49 pm to meansonny
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Grantham in his second season is that he would bait the dive. Show something to the QB that tricks him into handing the ball to the B Back 17 times a game for 1 yard.
What happened in his 3rd season?
His guys were more experienced and far worse vs option teams and the run in general
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:51 pm to meansonny
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Regardless... you can't let a QB get comfortable with the looks. The defense and gaps need to change. Create doubt and hesitation.
Definitely agree. but we pretty much handled it the same as far as clog the middle, DE take the QB and force the pitch then skate to the outside to help the LB, CB and S with the trail man. It was rocket science, but people want to anticipate the pitch and start heading outside leaving the handoff or QB keeper wide open.
When we ran it, the FB rarely got the ball. It was more often than not the pitch man, with an occasional QB keeper.
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For every adjustment that our team makes, Johnson has 3 to throw back at us. Keep em guessing.
He is definitely an expert at the offense. Knows it inside and out.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 12:57 pm to meansonny
Stopping the option requires a sound plan where everybody plays their responsibility.
At the most basic level the interior lineman will squeeze to the dive and ILBs will step, fill, and tackle to stop the dive as well.
DE will play QBs. OLBs can play QB to pitch.
CBs are pitch and Safeties in the alley QB to pitch.
The times are a changin' but this was the way I was taught to defend the option. You can't get lulled to sleep because the one time you make a mistake and not take your responsibility you get gashed.
At the most basic level the interior lineman will squeeze to the dive and ILBs will step, fill, and tackle to stop the dive as well.
DE will play QBs. OLBs can play QB to pitch.
CBs are pitch and Safeties in the alley QB to pitch.
The times are a changin' but this was the way I was taught to defend the option. You can't get lulled to sleep because the one time you make a mistake and not take your responsibility you get gashed.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:01 pm to DawgsLife
Currently, our Bbacks have been practically falling forward for ~5 yards/carry because our Oline has been getting a good push on the snap. We're just beating up defenses and chewing clock for the first three quarters and then stepping on the defense's throat as they get progressively tired and frustrated ... excepting when we cough it up and give them a chance to beat us.
Our defense has also been playing surprisingly well, but against inferior talent. Again, we'll know more after Miami.
Our defense has also been playing surprisingly well, but against inferior talent. Again, we'll know more after Miami.
This post was edited on 10/4/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted on 10/4/17 at 1:55 pm to DawgsLife
There are few things I love about COFH more than seeing the bug QB get hammered just as he's getting ready to pitch the ball out, causing a fumble.
It's a thing of beauty.
It's a thing of beauty.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:28 pm to RD Dawg
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What happened in his 3rd season?
His guys were more experienced and far worse vs option teams and the run in general
We held them to 10 points. I think they broke contain on the edge a few times. But we hardly let them score. I think that is a win. I know giving up 300 yards on the ground sucks. But they ran the ball for about 70 times. And it only takes 1 negative play to force them behind the chains and win the punt. It worked.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 2:36 pm to meansonny
I'm talking in general terms between the 2 seasons.
We were much better with our rush defense in '11 compared to '12.
Kinda strange,we pretty much had everybody back rushing
yand totals were quite different.
We were much better with our rush defense in '11 compared to '12.
Kinda strange,we pretty much had everybody back rushing
yand totals were quite different.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:11 pm to RD Dawg
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I'm talking in general terms between the 2 seasons.
We were much better with our rush defense in '11 compared to '12
For one, Brandon Boykin was a stud. He manned the star position and just about led the team in tackles for a loss in 2011. We also lost Deangelo Tyson to graduation.
Going into 2012, Derek Lott transferred and midseason Abry Jones got hurt. That forced John Jenkins out of NT in our base defense and into DE (Kwame geathers was the new full time NT).
Losing 3 guys from the DL and playing our best lineman out of position had a big impact on our ability to control the line of scrimmage.
We could do it against run only teams (Shawn Williams,Herrera, and Gilliard plugging the holes). But teams that can stretch the field with WRs forced our run stuffing safeties out of the box. Our run stuffing ILBs also had to focus on the pass responsibilities. And all of a sudden, we couldn't stop the run or pass... even against weaker competition.
Posted on 10/4/17 at 3:17 pm to JacketFan77
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then stepping on the defense's throat as they get progressively tired and frustrated ...
Yeah. It can be a very maddening offense to stop. You stop the dive and the QB keeps. You stop the dive and QB keeper and he pitches....as pointed out, only one person on defense has to mess up their responsibility and the whole thing collapses.
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