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re: Spavital's replacement

Posted on 10/20/15 at 8:47 pm to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 8:47 pm to
He probably won't leave for another coordinator job, he has an unbeatable setup at TCU.
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 9:01 pm to
1) it's a co-coordinator position if I recall

2) it's TCU

3) we're A&M

4) SEC

5) moneybags motherfricker
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 9:44 pm to
People play defense in the SEC, nobody plays defense in the Big XII.
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:15 pm to
Alright, tell me this - how many TCU assistants or coordinators have gone on to be a head coach in the past decade? How many former A&M assistants/coordinators? How many under Sumlin alone?


I believe 3 head coaches under sumlin
Posted by NanosTacoRun
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:29 pm to
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how many TCU assistants or coordinators have gone on to be a head coach in the past decade?

Fuente
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:44 pm to
Yep that's probably their best example. Meanwhile sumlin has 3 that went to better programs.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:55 pm to
Remember though that they were a midmajor program for most of the past decade. I agree we are a higher profile job (no matter the position), but things are not they like they were 5 years ago. TCU has a ton of resources and money whipping one of their coaches will be difficult, considering the strong position they are in right now.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 10:56 pm
Posted by NanosTacoRun
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:57 pm to
And like others have said, we have almost zero shot at Meacham.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 10:59 pm
Posted by Mirthomatic
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:06 pm to
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And like others have said, we have almost zero shot at Chavis.



Remember when the above was true?

If Meacham isn't waiting to jump to a Houston or SMU level HC job in the near future, the single best thing he could do to improve his resume is come to the SEC and show his offense can succeed here.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:15 pm to
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Remember when the above was true?

Completely different situation, unless there is a contract dispute going on at TCU
Posted by greenbastard
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:15 pm to
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Isn't he a high school coach now? I wonder what amount of money it would take to erase the shame of being fired in a driveway and being hired as the OL coach of the guy who replaced you?

frick it, only one way to find out

Posted by NanosTacoRun
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:21 pm to
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If Meacham isn't waiting to jump to a Houston or SMU level HC job in the near future, the single best thing he could do to improve his resume is come to the SEC and show his offense can succeed here.

I'm not sure that coming to A&M will significantly improve the type of job offers he'll receive. Tom Hermann was a national title-winning OC at tOSU and he still ended up at UH.

Only in rare circumstances do you jump from coordinator to high major job (that isn't Kansas-tier). If he wants a good job, he'll need to serve his time a a midmajor like everyone else. Coming to A&M won't bypass that.
Posted by Ash'sProstheticHand
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 12:05 am to
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And like others have said, we have almost zero shot at Meacham


Perhaps he loves TCU and won't leave no matter what, but A&M is a better football school than TCU and a better job. Period. They have a 45k seat stadium that the indifferent fanbase doesn't fill with any regularity and they don't pay that well (his salary details aren't public, but supposedly he's making 300ish thousand. We're paying our 30 year old apprentice coordinator more than that). In addition, we provide far more support and better competition, and it's not like we're a 6-6 program in sorry shape either. The OL is in bad shape and our play-calling needs to improve, but we're a highly ranked team that's got a hell of a lot of talent on campus and more on the way.

Honestly, I don't think it matters. I think the 2014 season made Sumlin do some soul searching, and he decided we need to transition to a more run-heavy spread. He brought Christensen onboard to make that change, and now we're early in the transition. I don't think he's going to abandon his plan after a single disappointing (but hardly awful) season with an disjointed OL and only 1 RB who absolutely isn't an all-purpose guy. So that means holding the rope with Christensen and Spavital.
Posted by Mirthomatic
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 12:38 am to
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Only in rare circumstances do you jump from coordinator to high major job (that isn't Kansas-tier). If he wants a good job, he'll need to serve his time a a midmajor like everyone else. Coming to A&M won't bypass that.



It's not the most common way, but it isn't rare

Dan Mullen was Florida OC before MSU HC
Muschamp was UTx DC before Florida HC
Mark Richt was FSU OC before Georgia HC
Bo Pelini was LSU DC before Nebraska HC
Bob Stoops was Florida DC before OU HC
Tom Osborne was Nebraska OC before Nebraska HC
Jimmy Johnson was Ast.HC/DC at Pitt before Okie St. HC
Jimbo Fisher was FSU OC before becoming HC
Les Miles was Okie St OC before becoming Okie HC (with a stint as Dallas Cowboys TE coach in between)
Dana Holgorsen was Okie St. OC before becoming WVU HC
Bret Bielema was Wisconsin DC before becoming Wisconsin HC
Paul Chryst was Wisconsin OC before becoming Pitt HC
David Shaw was Stanford DC before becoming Stanford HC
Steve Sarkisian was USC OC before Washington HC
Mike Leach was OU OC before TTEch HC
Staying with Tech, Kingsbury was the same
Dabo Swinney was Ast.HC/WR at Clemson before becoming Clemson HC
Mark Helfrich was Oregon OC before becoming Oregon HC

...you get the gist.

Not only would becoming a successful OC at A&M raise Meacham's profile, but if Sumlin ever did want to move on to the NFL, Meacham would probably be the #1 candidate to take over as Head Coach.
Posted by Warrior Poet
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 5:36 am to
Again, you're just wrong. The A&M OC position is without question a step up from co-offensive coordinator at TCU.


Posted by NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 9:46 am to
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Perhaps he loves TCU and won't leave no matter what, but A&M is a better football school than TCU and a better job. 

A&M is a better job, clearly. But he has a great thing going at TCU, and is in line for HC job offers this winter. And if he doesn't take them, I believe TCU will pony up the $ to keep him.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:00 am to
A good number of those were promotions from within...
Tom Osborne
Jimbo
Les Miles
Bret Bielema
David Shaw
Dabo Swinney
Mark Helfrich

And Kliff only got the TT job because he played there


That leaves 10 guys spread out over the past 36 years...
Dan Mullen
Muschamp
Mark Richt 
Bo Pelini 
Bob Stoops
Dana Holgorsen
Steve Sarkisian
Mike Leach
Jimmy Johnson
Paul Chryst

I'm sure you missed others, but even if you double the #, that would be 1 every other year. Maybe "rare" isn't the perfect word for it, but much less common than the traditional route.

I will say, if he (or any OC) comes to A&M and helps us win us a national title - like Mullen, Richt, Pelini, Stoops, Muschamp did - then he could potentially see job offers from a Power 5 school.
This post was edited on 10/21/15 at 10:01 am
Posted by Cooter Davenport
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:08 am to
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Honestly, I don't think it matters. I think the 2014 season made Sumlin do some soul searching, and he decided we need to transition to a more run-heavy spread. He brought Christensen onboard to make that change, and now we're early in the transition. I don't think he's going to abandon his plan after a single disappointing (but hardly awful) season with an disjointed OL and only 1 RB who absolutely isn't an all-purpose guy. So that means holding the rope with Christensen and Spavital.


I too believe that Sumlin's intention was to transition to a more run-heavy spread and that Christensen is the ideal person for that. It's just that the sad irony (English needs a specific word for this; not all irony is sad, but it often is, and when it is there's a specific emotional connotation I mean to imply here) is that in the year we set out to make that change we ended up having our worst o-line of his time here and all of our RBs, except for one totally "meh" fat one, got hurt. So I feel like, in Sumlin's mind, this whole year gets a pass in that respect because they weren't actually capable of implementing the plan. Y'all are going to hate this, and so am I, but I think this RB injury apocalypse buys Spaz-it-all a do-over next year.
Posted by NanosTacoRun
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:14 am to
Sumlin has already demoted one OC back to position coach (McKinney after 2014), I wonder if he would do the same after this year with Spav (while promoting Christensen)? And if Spav would accept the demotion.
Posted by Mirthomatic
Member since Feb 2013
4113 posts
Posted on 10/21/15 at 10:19 am to
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A good number of those were promotions from within...



And since Sumlin is always a target for NFL teams looking for a coach, there's a good chance Meacham could be promoted from within.

So adding those 7 back in to the other 10, and doubling that (should probably at least triple, because I was just going off the top of my head) gives you 34, which is roughly one a year over that span. And how many HC jobs at P5 schools are available each year? A max of 4, maybe 5? So you're looking at 25% of the time, a P5 school hires a coordinator with no prior HC experience at the collegiate level.

Add in the fact that Meacham's success as OC is discounted because it's not hard to put up points in the B12 where nobody plays defense.

And also add in the fact that we could easily triple his salary.

I don't know what Meacham would do if we came calling, but he'd at least seriously consider taking the job.
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