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re: Ole Miss devolves into Random historical bickering
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:52 am to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:52 am to Roger Klarvin
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A lot of people feel that way, I've known many my whole life. There are entire generations of Aggies from the 50s, 60s and 70s (the ones who are the big donors right now) who have lived their whole lives with the lingering mindset of "1-10 is fine if the one win is Texas". They don't say this, but it's how they approach our AD.
you just got done saying that people dont say that but then turn around and claim they did all the time.
nice.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 10:54 am
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Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:53 am to Dr RC
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you just got done saying that people dont say that but then turn around and claim they did all the time.
I meant the public face of our school, people like John Sharpe and the big donors. Nobody says it publically.
It private conversation it comes out regularly.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:54 am to Roger Klarvin
That's funny because all of the old ags I talk to look at all the changes as being best for a&m which happen to have an added side bonus of belittling or harming texas. There is a difference between what you are saying and what I encounter.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:55 am to WestCoastAg
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can you link this? im not saying it hasnt happened, i just legitimately havent seen it and if its out there, i would like to read it
It was on their 247 board after MSU, something to the tune of "How warm is Malzahn's seat right now". I'll see if I can find it.
They have talked it over on rant Auburn board as well.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:58 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:Yes, the fact we moved to the SEC guarantees automatic superiority over any non-SEC team.
You and I have different definitions of equivalent it seems.
Under no scenario should an SEC team with Johnny Manziel under center ever need to come back from down 21 against Duke. Ever.
Where do people come up with this crap?
Posted on 10/20/15 at 10:58 am to Roger Klarvin
Oh eat shite. Nobody thinks that a 1-10 season is actually ok if Texas is the 1 win.
The 1 win would merely be some sort of "well at least we fricked their season up" self satisfaction that would make the pain of being that awful lessening the pain ever so slightly.
Nobody would be pleased w/it and the HC would be in a world of trouble.
There is no chance in hell a current Aggie HC in year 3 or 4 could go 1-11 w/a win vs LSU or Bama and survive. None. Even if we were still in the Big 12 and the win was vs Texas that coach would be screwed.
And ps I actually know John Sharpe and can 100% guarantee that while he loves to shite on the 40 Acres, he would not find a year like that acceptable either.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 11:00 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:04 am to NanosTacoRun
It has nothing to do with some SEC aura that makes us automatically better, it's a about a change in expectations.
Forever we were a regional program with regional rivals whose biggest aspiration was essentially beat the other teams in Texas and win the Cotton Bowl. When we left the Big XII, expectations changed (or at least, they SHOULD have). It is no longer acceptable to play patty cake with basketball schools on the football field.
Forever we were a regional program with regional rivals whose biggest aspiration was essentially beat the other teams in Texas and win the Cotton Bowl. When we left the Big XII, expectations changed (or at least, they SHOULD have). It is no longer acceptable to play patty cake with basketball schools on the football field.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:04 am to Dr RC
We fired Fran after he beat Texas. Well, actually, he knew about it before and we just announced it after, but still. Fran actually beat them twice, at their apex, which is . 
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:07 am to Dr RC
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Oh eat shite. Nobody thinks that a 1-10 season is actually ok if Texas is the 1 win.
Well that seems over the top for a previously peaceful discussion.
But back to the point, some do. They don't know any other way. I realize it's a scary idea to accept, but so is Hilary Clinton being President.
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And ps I actually know John Sharpe and can 100% guarantee that while he loves to shite on the 40 Acres, he would not find a year like that acceptable either.
Whether he personally would or not isn't the issue, it's that everything he has ever done at A&M was about one upping Texas.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:09 am to Roger Klarvin
You may be conflating you perception of motives with the reality of motives. But what do I know.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:10 am to Cooter Davenport
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We fired Fran after he beat Texas. Well, actually, he knew about it before and we just announced it after, but still. Fran actually beat them twice, at their apex, which is
Fran's firing had at least as much to do with off the field stuff as his results. The email scandal and player complaints of misconduct and abuse were a big part of that.
IHIOGA that Sherman would not have been fired had he beaten Texas in 2011.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:11 am to Roger Klarvin
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It has nothing to do with some SEC aura that makes us automatically better, it's a about a change in expectations.
Forever we were a regional program with regional rivals whose biggest aspiration was essentially beat the other teams in Texas and win the Cotton Bowl. When we left the Big XII, expectations changed (or at least, they SHOULD have). It is no longer acceptable to play patty cake with basketball schools on the football field.
What do these "expectations" have to do with the reality of the state of our football team in 2013. We had zero high-level defenders and a terrible DC at the time. That game pretty much went as expected.
But continue to push your whiny narratives. It makes for riveting conversation.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:12 am to AgBQ00
Guys, roger is melting as he tends to do. You're not going to bring him back off the edge with reason. Let him stare at the abyss for a while.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:15 am to NanosTacoRun
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What do these "expectations" have to do with the reality of the state of our football team in 2013. We had zero high-level defenders and a terrible DC at the time. That game pretty much went as expected.
Any program worth their salt has expectations independent of what is happening at any one moment in a program.
We should expect to blow out Duke in football, regardless of whether or not we have the ability to. When you start basing expectations on a current situation you get...well, you get Texas A&M football.
Auburn's expectations didn't change when they went 3-9, Bama's expectations didn't change in the early 2000s, Florida's expectations didn't change under Muschamp.
This post was edited on 10/20/15 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:15 am to Roger Klarvin
I hear you on this part
And it's frustrating as frick. If this is a reaction to the one Alabama game though you are really overreacting. Literally fricking nobody including our own fans thought we were winning that game before the season. Alabama is a superior football program to us in every fashion.
Historically, Auburn is too. Comparing our mindset to Auburn's with coaches is not fair because we have not achieved the success they have in the modern era, or really come that close. I completely disagree with hypothetical about us winning a natty and never firing a coach. If we won on that level I think our fanbase would become arrogant as shite and absolutely axe a coach if he went 3-9 two years later. Our fanbase is arrogant as shite as is
The truth is that neither of us know how we would react because we've never reached that level of success. We joined a conference with a number of programs that are historically stronger than us in football. This is a fact. Our fans need to accept that there will be years where we finish fourth in the division. Do I expect to win it every few years? Going forward, absolutely. With how much we invested in our program we need to win. I do not think we will let the stadium sit empty with a 5 win team.
Have we reached a poor man's Mark Richt type ceiling with Sumlin at 8-9 wins? Maybe, though I think we need to wait until next season (I know) to see.
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We view success differently because no Aggie alive has ever experienced it on the big stage. The biggest moments in the history of our modern program are winning a few Cotton Bowls and an upset win the Big XII Title game nearly 20 years ago.
And it's frustrating as frick. If this is a reaction to the one Alabama game though you are really overreacting. Literally fricking nobody including our own fans thought we were winning that game before the season. Alabama is a superior football program to us in every fashion.
Historically, Auburn is too. Comparing our mindset to Auburn's with coaches is not fair because we have not achieved the success they have in the modern era, or really come that close. I completely disagree with hypothetical about us winning a natty and never firing a coach. If we won on that level I think our fanbase would become arrogant as shite and absolutely axe a coach if he went 3-9 two years later. Our fanbase is arrogant as shite as is
The truth is that neither of us know how we would react because we've never reached that level of success. We joined a conference with a number of programs that are historically stronger than us in football. This is a fact. Our fans need to accept that there will be years where we finish fourth in the division. Do I expect to win it every few years? Going forward, absolutely. With how much we invested in our program we need to win. I do not think we will let the stadium sit empty with a 5 win team.
Have we reached a poor man's Mark Richt type ceiling with Sumlin at 8-9 wins? Maybe, though I think we need to wait until next season (I know) to see.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:16 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Also I already posted this but I don't see how you think Ole Miss is so good. They've looked completely lost in their last two games. If we drop this one I will melt along with you
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:17 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Have we reached a poor man's Mark Richt type ceiling with Sumlin at 8-9 wins? Maybe, though I think we need to wait until next season (I know) to see.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:19 am to Nguyening
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Guys, roger is melting as he tends to do. You're not going to bring him back off the edge with reason. Let him stare at the abyss for a while.
The idea that we've hit a ceiling under Kevin Sumlin is very defensible. The claim we have always been as concerned with Texas as our own program is a stone cold fact.
If we go 9-3 this year, our most impressive win will end up being Mississippi State at home. Beating 9 below average to bad teams is not success just because 3 months ago we thought 9 wins would be great. 3 months ago we thought Auburn and Arkansas and ASU were all good to great teams.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:23 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Also I already posted this but I don't see how you think Ole Miss is so good.
I don't, I think they are probably a little better than MSU right now.
I also think our QB is fricked in the head, our OC only knows how to beat one type of defense and our HC is in over his head when it comes to managing challenging situations. I have never seen a coach who, when things are going poorly, has a more dazed and confused look on the sideline. The shots of him in the last two Bama games are of a defeated man who doesn't know what to do. He looked like he almost had a nervous breakdown in the postgame press conference after 59-0.
Posted on 10/20/15 at 11:28 am to Roger Klarvin
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We should expect to blow out Duke in football, regardless of whether or not we have the ability to. When you start basing expectations on a current situation you get...well, you get Texas A&M football.
This is some of the dumbest shite I've ever read
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