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Kyle Field renovation from a different angle

Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:57 am
Posted by daboman of Aggieland
Columbia, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1330 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 10:57 am
I wanted to talk about Kyle Field from a different perspective. That is, what do you want to see in the finished product regardless of what has already been announced? Here are my thoughts.

1. East stands. I want to see the students remain here. I like the fact that we give our students such good seats. This also means that these will remain discount seats, so there isn't going to be much return on anything that we do here. Just do enough that it doesn't look out of place in the finished product.

2. North stands (i.e. The Zone). Say what you will about Wally Groff, but that SOB thought that people would pay a premium to sit in the end zone as long as you gave them access to booze and air-conditioning, and he was right. $2,900 per seat per year to sit in the fricking end zone?!? If I had that $$$, I'd be in section 209. Leave it alone.

3. South stands. Wally taught me a lesson. Build a first deck of cheap seats with a couple of rows of suites behind it. On top of that build a massive 2nd deck of club seating with an air conditioned club behind it, and have restaurant seating for pre and post game socializing, etc. I guess you won't make as much per seat as you do in the zone club, but there is obviously a big market for club seating, so max it out. Even if you could demand $1,500 per seat per year, it's a lot of $$$.

Also, remove sections 100 and 149. They're such bad seats they're disgraceful.

4. West stands. I don't have a clue what to do here. These seats are already absurdly expensive (decks 1 and 2), and I would hate to see loyal old timers priced out of "their seats." I can't imagine how they make the money that they do on the 3rd deck. I'd rather be up high and on the side than low and in the end zone, but the 3rd deck is just absurdly high. I leave this up to all of you.

5. Exterior. I think that we can all agree that Kyle is pretty much arse ugly from the outside. I'm not a big facade guy, so I will only offer one small opinion. When I was in school (class of '94) we still had the horseshoe. That was the only attractive exterior of the stadium. I would love to see them try to tie into that history, and incorporate columns like these (pic from 1930) into the finished product.



Whatever we do, I do want to see the basic "tackle box" design remain. In the end, I'd like Kyle Field to still look like Kyle Field when we're done. They did a very good job of this with the renovation of Olsen Field.

Fire away.
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 11:00 am
Posted by aggressor
Austin, TX
Member since Sep 2011
8796 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 11:11 am to
Most of your thoughts will likely come true. Students will stay on the East though they will add club/box seating as well. They will also remain spartan compared to the rest of the stadium. The main thing students will get are better restrooms and concessions while keeping seats on the sideline.

If you think the West side is expensive now though you ain't seen nothin' yet! How much do you think they charge for Zone Club type seats on the West Deck? $10k per? More? Good seats at Kyle are about to get very expensive.
Posted by texmariner84
H-town
Member since Aug 2011
556 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 11:48 am to
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If you think the West side is expensive now though you ain't seen nothin' yet!




I know, Section 210 is about to be out of my family's price range, loosing seats we've had since '77 if I had to guess.
Posted by Raggy09
Texas
Member since Apr 2012
18 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 1:46 pm to


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My dream.
Posted by daboman of Aggieland
Columbia, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1330 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 1:50 pm to
One is open in the corners and the other isn't.
????????
Posted by Raggy09
Texas
Member since Apr 2012
18 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 2:22 pm to
Let me rephrase what I said above, combine the two renderings. Mostly just the top one with a few minor things from the bottom. Close the corners, canopies all around, etc.
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
22315 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 2:28 pm to
I just don't see how a rebuild of Kyle Field is feasible. Seems like it would take a minimum of 2 years to demolition and rebuild... probably longer. Must be asbestos issues, etc... to deal with.

Would A&M want to be on the road for 2 years straight?

If the admin isn't willing to demolish and rebuild then they would almost have to start by closing in the South end of the field and getting rid of the last section or two on East and West side. I don't think a refurb deal works without a new seating area first because that would mean large areas of seats lost for season ticket holders. They need a place to go to while their area is under refurb.

Can't imagine ticket prices if 12K to 15K seats are taken out of the equation while under refurb.

Not sure if refurb or rebuild has more issues... but it is usually cheaper and faster to rebuild than to refurb.


This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 2:32 pm
Posted by Raggy09
Texas
Member since Apr 2012
18 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 2:53 pm to
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then they would almost have to start by closing in the South end of the field and getting rid of the last section or two on East and West side.


This is similar to what I think actually happens. After 2013 is in the books:

1. Build South Endzone/demo West Side stands.
2. Move students into South Endzone for 2014 season, while rebuilding West Side stands.
3. After 2014, move students back to West Side, demo East Side.
4. Move alumni into South Endzone for 2015, rebuild East Side stands.
5. After 2015, everyone can move back into place, complete facade, everything else to make it pretty, etc.
6. ???
7. Profit.

Something along those lines. I'm not an architect so I can't do time frames. Also, I don't think we move for a year or two, because the economic impact on the B/CS community would be too harsh.
Posted by tmc94
Member since Sep 2012
11559 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 3:02 pm to
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I just don't see how a rebuild of Kyle Field is feasible.

Kyle has structural issues that need to be addressed. We can't refurbish anything without fixing these. It's not even an option.

The likely scenario in a 3-year build is:

Year One - build a south end Zone type addition, demolish the East stands and build the first deck on that side
Year Two - finish East side, demolish West and build first deck
Year Three - finish West side

The capacity likely will not be significantly reduced but probably never exceed about 80k during the entire process (though our SRO seats will likely be gone). This is because each side holds about 30k (East side is slightly less). By building the first deck you get 12k* or so of that back meaning you are looking at 18k reduced from the end state (85k) plus a few additional seats that may be disturbed throughout the process.

*The first decks actually seat more than this but I'm assuming we are eliminating seats to create more club type seats
Posted by joe.liberst
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2012
1002 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 4:25 pm to
Why are people so in love with the tackle box shape?. ...."but it needs to look like the old Kyle... ". No it doesn't. The current Kyle doesn't really look like the old Kyle pictured above and the traditions lived.

Both sides need to be completely demolished, the field needs to be lowered and the track removed so the stands are closer to the field. The Corps can march on the field or just do the review on Simpson. The canopy would a great if the underside is designed for sound reflection.
This post was edited on 9/26/12 at 4:28 pm
Posted by Tridentds
Sugar Land
Member since Aug 2011
22315 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 4:49 pm to
Funny you mentioned lowering the field. I think I heard something about that awhile back but haven't heard much about it since. I really think that would be a great thing to do.

After all, for big games they often put seats 5 or 6 deep on the sidelines. Sat in those before and they are terrible.
Posted by daboman of Aggieland
Columbia, MO
Member since Aug 2011
1330 posts
Posted on 9/26/12 at 4:57 pm to
quote:

Why are people so in love with the tackle box shape?. ...."but it needs to look like the old Kyle... ". No it doesn't.


I don't want Kyle to look like every other major SEC stadium. During MLB's recent ballpark building craze, HOK was building all of them. Look at the Astros, D-Backs, and Brewers. They all basically play in the same park. It's plain boring.

I like that Kyle Field looks different. Plus, I like the idea of not completely closing the corners to allow the breeze to come through.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134050 posts
Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:42 am to
quote:

Why are people so in love with the tackle box shape?


Dabo already said it, but it's unique. You know in an instant you're looking at Kyle Field from its tackle box design. I like that.
Posted by joe.liberst
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2012
1002 posts
Posted on 9/27/12 at 11:19 am to
I would be ok with the stacked decks, but I would like to see them with a good curve on the ends, plus a little steeper with more overhang to bring the seats a little closer to the field (get rid of the track as it isn't needed) and create better sight lines.
Posted by Farmer1906
The Woodlands, TX
Member since Apr 2009
51790 posts
Posted on 9/29/12 at 6:59 am to
I'm all for keeping it 3 decks and angling the corners like they plan on doing in LA. Needs to be closer to the field though.

Posted by relapse98
Member since Dec 2010
2736 posts
Posted on 9/29/12 at 9:49 pm to
quote:

get rid of the track as it isn't needed) and create better sight lines.


Corps marchin.
Posted by joe.liberst
Shreveport
Member since Jul 2012
1002 posts
Posted on 9/29/12 at 9:56 pm to
They can march in on the field like Army does and do review on Simpson.
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