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re: Is it time for tu vs A&M?
Posted on 12/4/13 at 6:14 pm to tmc94
Posted on 12/4/13 at 6:14 pm to tmc94
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the reason it hasn't helped us is because until Cook/Sumlin we sucked at marketing. It's a premier stadium that every kid in DFW dreams of playing in and that makes it a premier showcase.
Sumlin gets it and unlike Sherman who saw it as just another game, you better believe Sumlin will market the hell out of that. Every top prospect from '15 to '17 in North Texas will probably visit for that game next year. Due to game conflicts, rides, etc, that never happens for home games.
Completely agree.
And fwiw, I personally love playing in JerryWorld. If we have to play away from Kyle, you couldn't pick a more badass venue to showcase A&M.
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Posted on 12/5/13 at 11:47 am to aggressor
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FWIW, I was listening to Austin Sports Radio and they were talking about their dream schedule. LSU to start the year, OU in the middle, A&M on TDay. That's what got me thinking.
that may be their dream schedule but the powers that be don't think it's realistic. One thing you have to consider is they only have 3 OOC games. It's difficult to use 2 on permanent opponents.
This is from an excerpt about new sip AD Patterson restarting the series
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"We're working on it," Patterson said smiling. "It's under a lot of water. We had it when I was here."
If the rivalry game is brought back, it will not be slotted in its original Thanksgiving placement. With their new long-term agreement to play LSU on Thanksgiving week, the only possibility of an A&M match-up would have to come early in the season. That's likely going to be one of the many issues Patterson will face in the near future.
I still think it could be slotted in early November. It solves issues for us because finding a decent OOC opponent for our Nov slot is always going to be a challenge. But a Sept game wouldn't bother me at all.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 12:06 pm to tmc94
Early November doesn't really make sense for either school. Nobody wants a tough OOC game in the middle of the Conference stretch run. That's a time for a cupcake or a bye week.
September or bust. Glad to hear that is the parameters we are starting from as well. My hope is we essentially have that offer sitting out there and wait for the sips to bite on it. The more I think about it the more I am convinced that resuming the series in September not only is a big win for us it is greatly limiting for the sips.
I agree they can't play both A&M and LSU, that's not really a fear. My fear is that they decide they can't make it work with us and decide to start up a rivalry with LSU. I don't think it can be understated how devastating that would be for us.
September or bust. Glad to hear that is the parameters we are starting from as well. My hope is we essentially have that offer sitting out there and wait for the sips to bite on it. The more I think about it the more I am convinced that resuming the series in September not only is a big win for us it is greatly limiting for the sips.
I agree they can't play both A&M and LSU, that's not really a fear. My fear is that they decide they can't make it work with us and decide to start up a rivalry with LSU. I don't think it can be understated how devastating that would be for us.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 12:29 pm to aggressor
meh, I don't think it would be at all. Both schools will play someone. I don't really care if it's each other or someone else and honestly if it's each other I'll get my chuckles as someone melts down 
As it is, LSU is playing a random OOC game virtually every year in Texas already at Jerryworld or Reliant.
As for the Nov deal, UF, UGA, USC, and UK are all playing a permanent big Nov OOC game so let's not be pussies and say it would be too tough. The sips can't whine about it because they set the Big 12 schedule. But whatever.
As it is, LSU is playing a random OOC game virtually every year in Texas already at Jerryworld or Reliant. As for the Nov deal, UF, UGA, USC, and UK are all playing a permanent big Nov OOC game so let's not be pussies and say it would be too tough. The sips can't whine about it because they set the Big 12 schedule. But whatever.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 12:40 pm to tmc94
btw, take a look at our Nov schedule for '14
Saturday Nov. 1 ULM Warhawks College Station, TX
Saturday Nov. 8 at Auburn Tigers Auburn, AL
Saturday Nov. 15 Missouri Tigers College Station, TX
Saturday Nov. 22 --- Open Date ---
Thursday Nov. 27 LSU Tigers College Station, TX
Besides the fact that it's all Tigers all the time, what I notice is our rotating cross-div game is in Nov (Mizzou). That won't continue as the rotating games are almost all played in Sept/Oct. It was just done that way to complete the '14 schedule. That means we can work the sips in there rather than pull another conference game in if we do it right now before the perm schedule is made.
I think I'd probably arrange it:
Nov 1 - Texas
Nov 8 - ULM
Nov 15 - @ Auburn
Nov 22 - *BYE*
Nov 27 - LSU
But Auburn traditionally plays UGA on that weekend so there are difficulties, but it isn't as bad as all that.
Saturday Nov. 1 ULM Warhawks College Station, TX
Saturday Nov. 8 at Auburn Tigers Auburn, AL
Saturday Nov. 15 Missouri Tigers College Station, TX
Saturday Nov. 22 --- Open Date ---
Thursday Nov. 27 LSU Tigers College Station, TX
Besides the fact that it's all Tigers all the time, what I notice is our rotating cross-div game is in Nov (Mizzou). That won't continue as the rotating games are almost all played in Sept/Oct. It was just done that way to complete the '14 schedule. That means we can work the sips in there rather than pull another conference game in if we do it right now before the perm schedule is made.
I think I'd probably arrange it:
Nov 1 - Texas
Nov 8 - ULM
Nov 15 - @ Auburn
Nov 22 - *BYE*
Nov 27 - LSU
But Auburn traditionally plays UGA on that weekend so there are difficulties, but it isn't as bad as all that.
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 12/5/13 at 1:23 pm to tmc94
We could do it but I just don't think either school would want to. If we do that's fine but I think it hurts us in trying to win the SEC if we sandwich the Texas game between the Auburn's and Bama's.
Not a big deal either way to me, as long as it isn't TDay weekend. One small benefit though is the earlier it is the more it hurts Texas. The big flaw in their schedule is after they play OU in October it is "meh". The sooner in the season people stop caring about Texas playing in games of importance the better. I like the thought of even if they are winning all they get is a 15 second highlight on Sportscenter showing them beating Iowa State or the like.
As for Texas/LSU, if it is a one off home and home it isn't a big deal. A 10 year annual game though would be something else entirely. It allows them to sell it as "THE University of Texas" plays "THE" Universities from Oklahoma and Louisiana (they have a game with Arky scheduled as well). I don't see it as a big risk but I also have learned to think like a sneaky, elitist, and unethical bastard when considering what Texas will do. I don't trust them at all and know they lie awake at night thinking of ways to screw us in any way they can.
Not that I'm paranoid.
Not a big deal either way to me, as long as it isn't TDay weekend. One small benefit though is the earlier it is the more it hurts Texas. The big flaw in their schedule is after they play OU in October it is "meh". The sooner in the season people stop caring about Texas playing in games of importance the better. I like the thought of even if they are winning all they get is a 15 second highlight on Sportscenter showing them beating Iowa State or the like.
As for Texas/LSU, if it is a one off home and home it isn't a big deal. A 10 year annual game though would be something else entirely. It allows them to sell it as "THE University of Texas" plays "THE" Universities from Oklahoma and Louisiana (they have a game with Arky scheduled as well). I don't see it as a big risk but I also have learned to think like a sneaky, elitist, and unethical bastard when considering what Texas will do. I don't trust them at all and know they lie awake at night thinking of ways to screw us in any way they can.
Not that I'm paranoid.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 2:02 pm to aggressor
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The big flaw in their schedule is after they play OU in October it is "meh". The sooner in the season people stop caring about Texas playing in games of importance the better.
I have to be honest, this is where I think I differ from most Ags. I could give two shits how it impacts Texas. The Big 12 seems to be moving games around to try to maximize exposure anyway. They are going to do what they are going to do and we don't control that nor should we try. If we try to limit them they'll just explore other avenues. They aren't going to turn into Baylor.
In the end, I think choosing to diminish them over helping ourselves is an emotional response (that I totally get, I just don't want to do it). If we're going to play them, it's honestly best for Texas A&M that they be good and people care about the game. Otherwise why play them? And there is no reason in my mind why both schools can't be elite at the same time like the Florida schools.
I'm all-in on the SEC concept. Play tough games and constantly maximize exposure. Your competition can take the easy route and in the end they won't be able to keep up.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 3:57 pm to tmc94
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I have to be honest, this is where I think I differ from most Ags. I could give two shits how it impacts Texas. The Big 12 seems to be moving games around to try to maximize exposure anyway. They are going to do what they are going to do and we don't control that nor should we try. If we try to limit them they'll just explore other avenues. They aren't going to turn into Baylor.
In the end, I think choosing to diminish them over helping ourselves is an emotional response (that I totally get, I just don't want to do it). If we're going to play them, it's honestly best for Texas A&M that they be good and people care about the game. Otherwise why play them? And there is no reason in my mind why both schools can't be elite at the same time like the Florida schools.
I'm all-in on the SEC concept. Play tough games and constantly maximize exposure. Your competition can take the easy route and in the end they won't be able to keep up.
I wish a few more Ags would stop thinking with their swinging dicks and realize that we can do very little, if anything at all, to hurt them by refusing to play.
Its not like they aren't able to set up quality OOC games that will get them exposure. In some ways us being a permanent opponent on their schedule would actually limit help their exposure since that would be one less out of state/non regional team they could play.
This post was edited on 12/5/13 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:16 pm to tmc94
I only care about Texas so much as how it affects us. Every competitive advantage we can have over them makes a difference in recruiting. Schedule is a big deal as well because it drives overall interest. Since games are more important as the season goes on the higher profile they are the better. I want recruits to look at Texas' schedule compared to ours and see a clear difference.
I also agree playing them limits their ability to schedule other marquee opponents. With a 9 game Conference slate and a neutral site Conference game there is little chance either of us could schedule more than an occasional marquee OOC game. I'm fine with that because a 9 game SEC schedule means 3 East teams that almost feel like OOC anyway. For Texas though it means they have 10 games that are the same every year and the other 2 are likely cream puffs.
There is a fine line with obsessing over the sips and respecting what they are capable of and how they can impact us.
I also agree playing them limits their ability to schedule other marquee opponents. With a 9 game Conference slate and a neutral site Conference game there is little chance either of us could schedule more than an occasional marquee OOC game. I'm fine with that because a 9 game SEC schedule means 3 East teams that almost feel like OOC anyway. For Texas though it means they have 10 games that are the same every year and the other 2 are likely cream puffs.
There is a fine line with obsessing over the sips and respecting what they are capable of and how they can impact us.
Posted on 12/5/13 at 4:30 pm to Dr RC
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I wish a few more Ags would stop thinking with their swinging dicks and realize that we can do very little, if anything at all, to hurt them by refusing to play.
Agreed. This "exposure" shite is ridiculous and dumb. If you're a good team from a major market you will get all the exposure you could dream of.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 10:25 am to tmc94
I agree with tmc94.
There is no reason why we don't start playing tu again as soon as we can. If we can play in late November then great. If not, September is a good starting place. LSU isn't wild about playing us on Thanksgiving, and would probably be very willing to relinquish that spot back to us if it means bringing LSU/Arkansas back to rivalry week. This is a likely scenario as tu/A&M reinstatement will likely coincide with MU/KU reinstatement.
As for tu starting a long term deal with LSU? Where would they put that in their schedule if they are wanting to play us as well? It would be easier for us to schedule OU long term, as well as tu, than it would for tu to play both us and LSU. This simply due to how the SEC does conference games.
There is no reason why we don't start playing tu again as soon as we can. If we can play in late November then great. If not, September is a good starting place. LSU isn't wild about playing us on Thanksgiving, and would probably be very willing to relinquish that spot back to us if it means bringing LSU/Arkansas back to rivalry week. This is a likely scenario as tu/A&M reinstatement will likely coincide with MU/KU reinstatement.
As for tu starting a long term deal with LSU? Where would they put that in their schedule if they are wanting to play us as well? It would be easier for us to schedule OU long term, as well as tu, than it would for tu to play both us and LSU. This simply due to how the SEC does conference games.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 11:02 am to Bubbles Up
LSU lobbied hard for us that weekend. They don't want to play Arkansas then. They just don't want to play on tday itself.
Posted on 12/7/13 at 6:54 pm to Bubbles Up
The real point on LSU for Texas is they could schedule them and NOT play us. Would it be the same? Of course not, but it would satisfy their elitist feeling of not needing us, it would damage us while helping our 2 main rivals, and it would make us look desperate if we tried to schedule them. It's not realistic they could schedule both of us on a regular basis (or any other marquee team).
I'm strongly opposed to dropping LSU for Texas on TDay weekend, makes no sense at all other then sentimentality. If we do that and Texas cancels the series at any point we are left with no rivalry game amongst many other reasons.
I'm strongly opposed to dropping LSU for Texas on TDay weekend, makes no sense at all other then sentimentality. If we do that and Texas cancels the series at any point we are left with no rivalry game amongst many other reasons.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 8:32 am to aggressor
If tu did that, then I think it would be logical for us to play OU on a regular basis. That would cancel out the tu/LSU game.
I just don't see tu scheduling anyone, even us, long term as long as they have their wet dream of OOC opponents lined up. I must say they have done a good job scheduling OOC opponents.
I just don't see tu scheduling anyone, even us, long term as long as they have their wet dream of OOC opponents lined up. I must say they have done a good job scheduling OOC opponents.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 9:36 am to agswin
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I hate the orange people from Austin as much as the next guy but is it time to resume playing them?
No. As RC semi-recently told me": "They would get more out of it than we do."
I am so against that game. Not turn down bowls against it, but no regular series as long as the Big 12 exists against it.
No reason to help them sell season tickets. Let them stew in that shitty conference Dodds made.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 5:59 pm to agswin
Hell no. Nothing to gain everything to lose.
A&M vs. LSU Thanksgiving week >>>>>>>>>> A&M vs. SipU
The stakes are much higher in a rivalry game vs LSU. That game could have huge conference and bowl implications every year.
Plus the gameday experience would be a lot better against LSU. I hate those inbred Cajuns but they're one rowdy fanbase.
Out with the old and in with the new. Embrace it. Playing LSU to finish the season will be epic. SEC football > life itself
A&M vs. LSU Thanksgiving week >>>>>>>>>> A&M vs. SipU
The stakes are much higher in a rivalry game vs LSU. That game could have huge conference and bowl implications every year.
Plus the gameday experience would be a lot better against LSU. I hate those inbred Cajuns but they're one rowdy fanbase.
Out with the old and in with the new. Embrace it. Playing LSU to finish the season will be epic. SEC football > life itself
Posted on 12/8/13 at 7:17 pm to aggressor
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I agree they can't play both A&M and LSU, that's not really a fear. My fear is that they decide they can't make it work with us and decide to start up a rivalry with LSU. I don't think it can be understated how devastating that would be for us.
With the possibility of a nine-game schedule looming, I can't see LSU wanting to lock themselves long term in to that game. They seem like a fanbase that would want more freedom to schedule lots of teams.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 10:35 am to TeLeFaWx
I agree. LSU likes the occasional marquee OOC match at JW or Reliant. It is a good model for them and gives them a regular game in Texas other than us. They want to play where the recruits are, not in Austin.
Posted on 12/9/13 at 11:35 am to Bubbles Up
With the playoff system coming we need a much better OOC schedule. If playing Texas gives us that then by all means book it. If we can get it on a rotating basis with other name brand OOC schools that's even better imo.
My logic behind this is it's extremely tough to get thru our division much less our conference unscathed so we need quality OOC wins to keep our stock up with the committee again jmo
My logic behind this is it's extremely tough to get thru our division much less our conference unscathed so we need quality OOC wins to keep our stock up with the committee again jmo
Posted on 12/10/13 at 11:17 am to Bubbles Up
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If tu did that, then I think it would be logical for us to play OU on a regular basis. That would cancel out the tu/LSU game.
I just don't see tu scheduling anyone, even us, long term as long as they have their wet dream of OOC opponents lined up. I must say they have done a good job scheduling OOC opponents.
That is an even worse move for us. We already are killing OU in recruiting and giving them a feature game against us would be a boost for them while doing very little for us. It would also be a very reactive move and we would never be considered better than OU's #3 rival, OU will simply never be a rivalry game for us as the history and emotion just isn't there. The sips would laugh all day long at us justifiably.
What we want is a schedule that helps us against LSU/Bama while keeping Texas and the rest of the BDF and Arkie in check.
I doubt LSU/Texas will happen but that has more to do with the lack of vision by those 2 schools than it does anything else. I just think we should make our move while we have the advantage and lock in the best situation for us which is playing Texas early.
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