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I'll say it...Kyle Field is overrated.
Posted on 10/11/14 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 10/11/14 at 11:33 pm
sorry, I'm not sorry.
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Posted on 10/11/14 at 11:41 pm to betweenthebara
Bill Byrne killed it.
A&M's Kyle Field record since 2003 is 52-26.
My home record as a student was 19-3. No losses after my freshman year.
A&M's Kyle Field record since 2003 is 52-26.
My home record as a student was 19-3. No losses after my freshman year.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 2:22 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 12:09 am to betweenthebara
Yep. Our HC has yet to win a meaningful game there
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:12 am to TexasAg13
Herbstriet and Fowler were asking why A&M does worse at home.
I've got the answer: All the commercialized bullshite takes the crowd out of the game completely.
Pre-Byrne, the yell leaders controlled the crowd, not the fricking video screen of death.
Hell, let's look at the record since the "12th Man TV" was introduced:
2006: 4-3
2007: 6-1
2008: 2-5
2009: 5-2
2010: 6-1
2011: 4-3
2012: 4-2
2013: 6-2
2014: 2-1
39-20
However, if you just count conference games:
2006: 1-3
2007: 3-1
2008: 1-3
2009: 2-2
2010: 3-1
2011: 2-3
2012: 2-2
2013: 2-2
2014: 0-1
16-18
I've got the answer: All the commercialized bullshite takes the crowd out of the game completely.
Pre-Byrne, the yell leaders controlled the crowd, not the fricking video screen of death.
Hell, let's look at the record since the "12th Man TV" was introduced:
2006: 4-3
2007: 6-1
2008: 2-5
2009: 5-2
2010: 6-1
2011: 4-3
2012: 4-2
2013: 6-2
2014: 2-1
39-20
However, if you just count conference games:
2006: 1-3
2007: 3-1
2008: 1-3
2009: 2-2
2010: 3-1
2011: 2-3
2012: 2-2
2013: 2-2
2014: 0-1
16-18
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:25 am to CGSC Lobotomy
I think it has to do with the fact that outside of 2012, we haven't had a good football team in a really long time.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:33 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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Herbstriet and Fowler were asking why A&M does worse at home.
Lack of sandstorm.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:35 am to TexasAg13
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I think it has to do with the fact that outside of 2012, we haven't had a good football team in a really long time.
When I was in school (1996-1999 seasons), we were nearly unbeatable at home and shaky at best on the road. Even the games we did lose at home were hard fought games:
1996 - Colorado 24, A&M 10 (lost 4 fumbles)
1996 - Kansas State 23, A&M 20 (4 turnovers)
1996 - Texas Tech 13, A&M 10 (81 yard screen pass was the deciding score)
We were shut out twice my senior year, but still managed to go unbeaten at home.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 1:54 am to CGSC Lobotomy
A&M at Kyle Field: 1983-2002 (Sherrill-Slocum)
108-20-1
Unbeaten in 1985, 1986, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1997, 1998, and 1999.
A&M at Kyle Field: 2003-present (Byrne/Hyman era)
23-10 under Franchione
17-11 under Sherman
12-5 under Sumlin
52-26 overall
108-20-1
Unbeaten in 1985, 1986, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1997, 1998, and 1999.
A&M at Kyle Field: 2003-present (Byrne/Hyman era)
23-10 under Franchione
17-11 under Sherman
12-5 under Sumlin
52-26 overall
Posted on 10/12/14 at 2:02 am to CGSC Lobotomy
Sobering.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 8:55 am to CGSC Lobotomy
quote:but isn't al that commercial hoopla important to our "branding?" (End sarcasm)
video screen of death
A crowd will yell their hearts out for something that they love, but paying customers who bought into a "brand" will simply leave the game and stop buying the product. Glitz may draw the eye, but failure to create "brand loyalty" based upon something far deeper than the glitz will result a crowd that is fickle, callow and utterly unreliable.
It was Aggie Spirit -- the esssence of the 12th Man -- that made Kyle a place to be feared.
Our "leaders" have downgraded the importance of that Spirit in so many ways -- the commercialism, the damned canned music, the cannon as a second thought, Rev's grave, the ridiculous gimic uniforms, ecetera -- that the crowd (especially the students) simply goes to the game expecting to be entertained, rather than expecting to contribute in any meaningful way.
When a paying customer goes to a game expecting to be entertained, he is NOT a reliable source of assistance for the team.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 9:14 am to AggieHank86
Bottom line...people nowadays overall are soft. Throw them some adversity and they fold.
Aggies aren't immune to this.
Aggies aren't immune to this.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 9:28 am to AggieHank86
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This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 11:29 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 9:39 am to CosmicGas93361
Thanks, but I was attacked as a troll for saying exactly the same thing in a different context last week.
Let's see whether we get a repeat. I expect that we will.
Let's see whether we get a repeat. I expect that we will.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 10:42 am to AggieHank86
Hold up.
The students stayed far after the game had been decided.
You can bitch and moan about the environment/uniforms/music/what have you, but the simple truth is that WINNING is what makes any home venue intimidating. Good teams give a rabid crowd something to latch onto and spur them on. That crowd was electric last night until Ole Miss took them out of it. Because Ole Miss is a good team, not because of some lack of Aggie spirit. The crowd is there to watch a football game. When the team is getting their asses handed to them because they're not good enough, you can't blame the crowd for having nothing to cheer about. That's preposterous.
If you blame a crowd for leaving a beatdown on uniforms and music, you're missing the point.
The students stayed far after the game had been decided.
You can bitch and moan about the environment/uniforms/music/what have you, but the simple truth is that WINNING is what makes any home venue intimidating. Good teams give a rabid crowd something to latch onto and spur them on. That crowd was electric last night until Ole Miss took them out of it. Because Ole Miss is a good team, not because of some lack of Aggie spirit. The crowd is there to watch a football game. When the team is getting their asses handed to them because they're not good enough, you can't blame the crowd for having nothing to cheer about. That's preposterous.
If you blame a crowd for leaving a beatdown on uniforms and music, you're missing the point.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 10:47 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 10:47 am to AggieHank86
Kyle Field is far from the problem. Fans aren't the problem.
Home field advantage is really defense driven. If you have a great defense, you will have it.
A&M hasn't had a top 25 defense in a long time. We had a little bump in 2012 but for many years before that (and since) our defense has been shite. Defense is what generates noise, excitement, and intimidation. Until we restore the defensive element to our game, Kyle Field will not really be intimidating. What can possibly be intimidating to an opposing team when they know they can come to Kyle Field and score 30+ points?
Nothing. It has frick all to do with the stadium.
Home field advantage is really defense driven. If you have a great defense, you will have it.
A&M hasn't had a top 25 defense in a long time. We had a little bump in 2012 but for many years before that (and since) our defense has been shite. Defense is what generates noise, excitement, and intimidation. Until we restore the defensive element to our game, Kyle Field will not really be intimidating. What can possibly be intimidating to an opposing team when they know they can come to Kyle Field and score 30+ points?
Nothing. It has frick all to do with the stadium.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 10:52 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 10:49 am to Tridentds
Last quality defense we had was 2010, and even they got annihilated by Missouri at home.
Since the Colorado game in 2000, which broke a 22 game home win streak, A&M has had fewer than 1 home loss in only the 2007 and 2010 seasons.
Since the Colorado game in 2000, which broke a 22 game home win streak, A&M has had fewer than 1 home loss in only the 2007 and 2010 seasons.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 10:56 am to Tridentds
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Home field advantage is really defense driven. If you have a great defense, you will have it.
A&M hasn't had a top 25 defense in a long time. We had a little bump in 2012 but for many years before that (and since) our defense has been shite. Defense is what generates noise, excitement, and intimidation. Until we restore the defensive element to our game, Kyle Field will not really be intimidating. What can possibly be intimidating to an opposing team when they know they can come to Kyle Field and score 30+ points?
Nothing. It has frick all to do with the stadium.
Precisely.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:00 am to AggieHank86
I respect your opinion, but completely disagree. Sorry, but no opposing team gives a crap about the 12th man and the Aggie spirit. What makes any field feared is when people don't walk out of there with wins. A great football team feeds life to the crowd. The Wrecking Crew made Kyle feared, not the student body.
This post was edited on 10/12/14 at 11:08 am
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:05 am to TexasAg13
My senior year, we allowed 52 total points at home.
Posted on 10/12/14 at 11:33 am to TbirdSpur2010
Spur, you are too bright to have misread my post, so I can only assume that you were being intentionally-disengenuous.
Obviously, one particular loss is not directly the result of crappy music or gimic uniforms. However, the lessening advantage at Kyke Field IS tied to a change in the environment from "I am here to help the team" to "the team is here to entertain me." And that change flows naturally from the change in focus from "the Aggie family" to "the Aggie brand" mentality.
My first years at TAMU, our football team was not good. We barely won half of our games, but we won home games. We beat ranked teams at home. We did not do that due to intimidating defense or awe-inspiring offensive numbers. We had neither. We won because our crowd was loud, involved and intimidating ... Even if the same was not necesarily true of our team.
Obviously, one particular loss is not directly the result of crappy music or gimic uniforms. However, the lessening advantage at Kyke Field IS tied to a change in the environment from "I am here to help the team" to "the team is here to entertain me." And that change flows naturally from the change in focus from "the Aggie family" to "the Aggie brand" mentality.
My first years at TAMU, our football team was not good. We barely won half of our games, but we won home games. We beat ranked teams at home. We did not do that due to intimidating defense or awe-inspiring offensive numbers. We had neither. We won because our crowd was loud, involved and intimidating ... Even if the same was not necesarily true of our team.
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