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Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:22 pm to NanosTacoRun
Agreed 
Posted on 6/27/16 at 10:24 pm to NanosTacoRun
Sumlin is paid to be smarter than the average fan, not be a poor man's version of Mack Brown that just does what everyone else thinks he should do.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 11:33 am to NanosTacoRun
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Well we're all idiots
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Sumlin is paid to be smarter than the average fan,
Sumlin is paid to keep those paying his paycheck happy, IE us.
Kyler was the ultimate rock and hard place.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 12:04 pm to cardboardboxer
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Kyler was the ultimate rock and hard place.
Terrible situation. And y'all know I am no Sumlin arse kisser.
Either he passed on Kevin Murray's 5* legacy son, and had the fury of the fanbase brought down on him AS WELL AS the HUGE negative recruiting blow it would be to lose a 5* legacy's son to your biggest rival OR he recruited the kid, knowing he and his father had cancerous entitlement issues and hoped for the best/tried to manage the storm as best he could. He did the latter. I can't blame him for that. The dude had bad options on both sides and instead of picking the FOR SURE immediate bad outcome, he chose the highly possible but not for sure future bad outcome. In that situation, that's the best bet you can make.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 12:15 pm to NanosTacoRun
Sumlin probably gets shitcanned if he doesn't recruit Kyler and has an 8-5 season. It's not like Kyle Allen ever had the full support of the fanbase. There were constant murmurs about everything from his attitude on the sidelines when he wasn't playing (and was actively considering transferring) his freshman year all the way down to the fact that he wasn't from Texas.
There was no way in hell he could have ignored a kid who was crushing it at the 5A level and was also the son of one of the greatest Aggie QBs ever.
It would have been suicide. Nobody could have known he would be such locker room poison. His little dance w/Texas in the waning days of recruiting was a hint but by that point it was too late to pull out.
If the kid hadn't been an Aggie legacy Sumlin could have gone w/Stidham. But he was and that made it impossible to lose Kyler as a recruit once Texas started sniffing around. The BMA boosters would have all turned on Sumlin right then and there.
There was no way in hell he could have ignored a kid who was crushing it at the 5A level and was also the son of one of the greatest Aggie QBs ever.
It would have been suicide. Nobody could have known he would be such locker room poison. His little dance w/Texas in the waning days of recruiting was a hint but by that point it was too late to pull out.
If the kid hadn't been an Aggie legacy Sumlin could have gone w/Stidham. But he was and that made it impossible to lose Kyler as a recruit once Texas started sniffing around. The BMA boosters would have all turned on Sumlin right then and there.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:10 pm to Dr RC
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Sumlin probably gets shitcanned if he doesn't recruit Kyler and has an 8-5 season.
Not sure if you're talking about him getting fired after 2014 or 2015, but I don't see anyway he would have been fired after 2014. And he fricked up in every way imaginable in 2015 and still didn't get fired.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:42 pm to NanosTacoRun
You are straight up being obtuse at this point.
Obviously I'm talking last year.
There is no way in hell Sumlin would have survived last season if he lost Kyler to Texas.
Period. End of story.
I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to accept.
Obviously I'm talking last year.
There is no way in hell Sumlin would have survived last season if he lost Kyler to Texas.
Period. End of story.
I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to accept.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 1:52 pm to Dr RC
Perhaps I believe things would be much better if we had alternatively gone with Stidham. The end of the 2015 recruiting cycle would have gone better, the 2015 season would have gone better and the 2016 season would look much more promising... if Kyler was never in the picture.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:01 pm to NanosTacoRun
The problem is it was impossible for Kyler to not be in the picture.
Not trying to be rude but maybe you are too young to remember how good Kevin Murray was and what he meant to the program back in the 80s.
Ignoring the top rated QB in Texas when he was the son of the greatest Aggie QB ever (right up until Johnny of course) would never have been possible.
Letting him go to Texas would have crushed a lot of support from the BMAs who cut the checks.
Again, had Kyler not been a legacy I don't think Sumlin would have been willing to put up with Kevin and Kyler.
Not trying to be rude but maybe you are too young to remember how good Kevin Murray was and what he meant to the program back in the 80s.
Ignoring the top rated QB in Texas when he was the son of the greatest Aggie QB ever (right up until Johnny of course) would never have been possible.
Letting him go to Texas would have crushed a lot of support from the BMAs who cut the checks.
Again, had Kyler not been a legacy I don't think Sumlin would have been willing to put up with Kevin and Kyler.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:18 pm to Dr RC
I'm not sure why you keep using the word "ignore". I don't think you end up with Stidham by ignoring Kyler, I think you end up with Stidham by closely examining Kyler (and comparing him to Stidham). All the signs of much more projectable QB were there, people either couldn't see them or didn't want to admit it. Johnny being fresh in everyone's minds probably deserves as much blame as the legacy factor.
And I'm a little skeptical that Kyler would have ended up at UT. It was us and Oregon (and possibly Tech if Stidham is hypothetically at Baylor) when he originally committed, and OU was just as much of a threat at Texas around NSD (if I remember correctly). Him ending up there would seem to support that.
I get the Kevin Murray stuff, and I've never denied it wouldn't be an extremely difficult direction to go the other way. That was the whole point of my initial post about QB recruiting. Instead of going for the hype and mythical recruiting benefit, Sumlin seems to be switching towards going for guys that will give us the best shot to win ballgames.
And I'm a little skeptical that Kyler would have ended up at UT. It was us and Oregon (and possibly Tech if Stidham is hypothetically at Baylor) when he originally committed, and OU was just as much of a threat at Texas around NSD (if I remember correctly). Him ending up there would seem to support that.
I get the Kevin Murray stuff, and I've never denied it wouldn't be an extremely difficult direction to go the other way. That was the whole point of my initial post about QB recruiting. Instead of going for the hype and mythical recruiting benefit, Sumlin seems to be switching towards going for guys that will give us the best shot to win ballgames.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:18 pm to Dr RC
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Again, had Kyler not been a legacy I don't think Sumlin would have been willing to put up with Kevin and Kyler.
He would not have. He really wanted Stidham, for good reasons.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:26 pm to NanosTacoRun
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I'm not sure why you keep using the word "ignore". I don't think you end up with Stidham by ignoring Kyler, I think you end up with Stidham by closely examining Kyler (and comparing him to Stidham).
If you don't offer him or do everything you can to land him its basically ignoring him. It does not matter what Stidham projected to be. The narrative would have been that arrogant arse Sumlin didn't pay enough attention to Kyler and ran him off. There is no way Sumlin could have let Kyler get away.
shite, there were several people here on this very board calling for Sumlin to be fired if he couldn't land the kid.
It's not just the unwashed rabble that had that notion either. The BMAs would have gone nuts if Kyler went elsewhere. It would be nice if Sumlin had the kind of authority that Saban has and was able to tell BMAs to piss off but he doesn't. Very few coaches do.
Losing Kyler was NOT an option for Sumlin. EVER.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:36 pm to Dr RC
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The BMAs would have gone nuts if Kyler went elsewhere.
That is the truth. A lot of today's BMAs are from his dad's era, and his dad has hung around the program the whole time.
And Sumlin might not be out of the woods with Kyler. If he does well at OU down the road then people will blame Sumlin for "running him off." Sumlin has to deal with the first of such perceptions this year when we see how well Kenny does.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 2:55 pm to Dr RC
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The BMAs would have gone nuts if Kyler went elsewhere.
I don't doubt that, at all. But Sumlin gets to point towards his future All-SEC QB who is good enough to not get embarrassed by Auburn as proof he knows what he's doing.
That's a pretty big trump card, isn't it?
Posted on 6/28/16 at 3:05 pm to NanosTacoRun
We might even still have Kyle Allen around, which is good or bad depending on where you stand on him.
But we might also have Spav or DC, which is just uncomfortable even thinking about.
But we might also have Spav or DC, which is just uncomfortable even thinking about.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 3:07 pm to NanosTacoRun
It's not that simple.
We have no idea how well Stidham would have or would not have played here.
And no. I don't think Sumlin would get any cover for taking another QB over Kyler unless the dude came in an immediately won 10+ games w/insane stats. It's not like Stidham wrecked shop at Baylor last year either. He played very well against an average at best K-State and was mediocre to poor vs Okie Light and OU. He got hit hard enough vs Okie Light that his season was over. If he can't handle hits from their undersized D what in the world would have happened to him here where he'd be going up against SEC monsters?
We have no idea how well Stidham would have or would not have played here.
And no. I don't think Sumlin would get any cover for taking another QB over Kyler unless the dude came in an immediately won 10+ games w/insane stats. It's not like Stidham wrecked shop at Baylor last year either. He played very well against an average at best K-State and was mediocre to poor vs Okie Light and OU. He got hit hard enough vs Okie Light that his season was over. If he can't handle hits from their undersized D what in the world would have happened to him here where he'd be going up against SEC monsters?
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 3:14 pm to NanosTacoRun
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But Sumlin gets to point towards his future All-SEC QB who is good enough to not get embarrassed by Auburn as proof he knows what he's doing.
You are forgetting the fact that without Kyler's promises Kyle is the starter all year.
Posted on 6/28/16 at 3:48 pm to Dr RC
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and was mediocre to poor vs Okie Light and OU. He got hit hard enough vs Okie Light that his season was over. If he can't handle hits from their undersized D what in the world would have happened to him here where he'd be going up against SEC monsters?
58%, 3/2 TD/INT and 10.7 YPA shouldn't be considered "mediocre to poor". 10.7 YPA is elite for anybody. For a true freshman, it's absurd. For reference, Johnny was at 8.5 his Heisman yr, 9.6 his SO yr.
And he broke his ankle vs OSU after getting rolled up on the sideline. Maybe he has a proclivity for that type of injuries, but that seems more like a fluke injury than a "not big enough/strong enough to survive" type of injury.
I do agree that it's difficult to know how he would have done in Spav's offense, but it almost assuredly would have been worse than his #s under briles. Even with that, the guy 100% looks the part.
This post was edited on 6/28/16 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 6/28/16 at 3:49 pm to cardboardboxer
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You are forgetting the fact that without Kyler's promises Kyle is the starter all year.
Would you consider that a good thing or a bad thing?
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