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A case study in how Kellen Mond has improved
Posted on 10/23/18 at 5:07 am
Posted on 10/23/18 at 5:07 am
Mond started 7 games in 2017. He has started 7 games in 2018.
Let's look at this really quick.
Kellen Mond's 7 starts in 2017
Passing: 101/188 (53.7%), 1254 yards, 7 TD, 5 INT
Rushing: 71 carries, 296 yards, 3 TD
Kellen Mond's 7 starts in 2018
Passing: 132/214 (61.7%), 1,800 yards, 10 TD, 5 INT
Rushing: 83 carries, 255 yards, 4 TD
Let's look at this really quick.
Kellen Mond's 7 starts in 2017
Passing: 101/188 (53.7%), 1254 yards, 7 TD, 5 INT
Rushing: 71 carries, 296 yards, 3 TD
Kellen Mond's 7 starts in 2018
Passing: 132/214 (61.7%), 1,800 yards, 10 TD, 5 INT
Rushing: 83 carries, 255 yards, 4 TD
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Posted on 10/23/18 at 7:39 am to CGSC Lobotomy
I’m wondering how this year looks without Jace
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:06 am to Old Sarge
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I’m wondering how this year looks without Jace
Interesting that you should say this.
Nick O'Leary was Jameis Winston's TE as a junior and senior.
2013: 33 catches for 557 yards and 7 touchdowns (3rd leading receiver)
2014: 48 catches for 618 yards and 6 touchdowns (LEADING RECEIVER)
Sternberger currently has 29 catches for 496 yards and 6 TD in 7 games. Extrapolate that over 13 and you get 54 catches for 921 yards and 11 TD. He would easily be the best TE EVER to play for Jimbo Fisher (he's already dangerously close to being the best TE in A&M history)
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 8:17 am
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:34 am to CGSC Lobotomy
A good comparison that clearly shows progress. I haven’t seen it much over here, but on texags I’ve seen plenty of people posting about how Mond isn’t progressing and next year we are very likely to be starting a different QB. The numbers don’t lie.
I’m not surprised to see his improvement in the passing game, but what does surprise me is the rushing yards. For being a perceived “dual threat” quarterback, he doesn’t run or have the yardage one might think. Sure he’s no Fitzgerald, or even a Manziel, but I guess I assumed he’d be having 500-700 yard seasons on the ground.
Obviously there will be a point of diminishing returns but I’m hopeful that Jimbo continues to develop him and he keeps getting better and better. Hopefully next year he can be over 65% and mainly work on cutting down interceptions.
I’m not surprised to see his improvement in the passing game, but what does surprise me is the rushing yards. For being a perceived “dual threat” quarterback, he doesn’t run or have the yardage one might think. Sure he’s no Fitzgerald, or even a Manziel, but I guess I assumed he’d be having 500-700 yard seasons on the ground.
Obviously there will be a point of diminishing returns but I’m hopeful that Jimbo continues to develop him and he keeps getting better and better. Hopefully next year he can be over 65% and mainly work on cutting down interceptions.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 8:35 am
Posted on 10/23/18 at 8:46 am to Texas Gentleman
Well, let's look at the rushing yards of a couple of "dual threat quarterbacks".
Donovan McNabb: (3.35 ypc college, 5.62 ypc pro)
College: 465 carries for 1561 yards and 19 TD (4 years)
Pro: 616 carries for 3459 yards and 29 TD (13 years)
Steve Young: (4.03 ypc college, 5.87 ypc pro)
College: 269 carries for 1084 yards and 18 TD (3 years)
Pro: 722 carries for 4239 yards and 43 TD (15 years)
Warren Moon: (1.79 ypc college, 3.20 ypc pro)
College: 239 carries for 429 yards and 9 TD (3 years)
Pro: 543 carries for 1736 yards and 22 TD (16 years)
Randall Cunningham: (0.73 ypc college, 6.36 ypc pro)
College: 305 carries for 223 yards and 9 TD (3 years)
Pro: 775 carries for 4928 yards and 35 TD (15 years)
Kellen Mond currently has 172 carries for 595 career yards (3.46 yards per carry) and 7 TD. That's better than every QB on this list except for Steve Young.
Donovan McNabb: (3.35 ypc college, 5.62 ypc pro)
College: 465 carries for 1561 yards and 19 TD (4 years)
Pro: 616 carries for 3459 yards and 29 TD (13 years)
Steve Young: (4.03 ypc college, 5.87 ypc pro)
College: 269 carries for 1084 yards and 18 TD (3 years)
Pro: 722 carries for 4239 yards and 43 TD (15 years)
Warren Moon: (1.79 ypc college, 3.20 ypc pro)
College: 239 carries for 429 yards and 9 TD (3 years)
Pro: 543 carries for 1736 yards and 22 TD (16 years)
Randall Cunningham: (0.73 ypc college, 6.36 ypc pro)
College: 305 carries for 223 yards and 9 TD (3 years)
Pro: 775 carries for 4928 yards and 35 TD (15 years)
Kellen Mond currently has 172 carries for 595 career yards (3.46 yards per carry) and 7 TD. That's better than every QB on this list except for Steve Young.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 8:51 am
Posted on 10/23/18 at 9:11 am to CGSC Lobotomy
You just listed 4 people all over the age of 40 (and 3 of the 4 over 50). The game changes a lot in 20+ years.
No doubt you can find more recent examples too, as that seems to be your shtick, but look up stats of big name dual threat QBs now or in the last 5-10 years that most regular college football fans can name and get back to me.
I’m betting more of them than not run for more than 500 yards in a season. Just a quick google tells me Kyler Murray is at 428 yards this season with 5 more games to play. Stuff like that.
All it does is surprise me, I’m not saying it’s right or wrong as long as it fits in jimbo’s system. But I have noticed several times in games where the pass rush gets too far upfield and it looks to my 5.0+ 40 yard running self that he could’ve taken off for some yards.
No doubt you can find more recent examples too, as that seems to be your shtick, but look up stats of big name dual threat QBs now or in the last 5-10 years that most regular college football fans can name and get back to me.
I’m betting more of them than not run for more than 500 yards in a season. Just a quick google tells me Kyler Murray is at 428 yards this season with 5 more games to play. Stuff like that.
All it does is surprise me, I’m not saying it’s right or wrong as long as it fits in jimbo’s system. But I have noticed several times in games where the pass rush gets too far upfield and it looks to my 5.0+ 40 yard running self that he could’ve taken off for some yards.
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 9:34 am
Posted on 10/23/18 at 9:25 am to Texas Gentleman
Deshaun Watson had 435 att for 1,934 yards in 3 years at Clemson. 4.4 avg per rush and 26 total touchdowns
This post was edited on 10/23/18 at 9:26 am
Posted on 10/23/18 at 9:30 am to bearkatag15
So he moves better than Tyler White?
Posted on 10/23/18 at 9:38 am to Farmer1906
Lunhow better get a damned DH this off season... Tyler White blows donkey cock.
Posted on 11/5/18 at 11:23 pm to bearkatag15
Really rough 2 weeks for Mond, but fortunately he's done with road games. He's been 2 different QBs at/away from Kyle
Home: 63%,8.9 YPA, 8/1 TD/Int
Away/Neutral: 56%, 6.9 YPA, 4/6 TD/Int
Home: 63%,8.9 YPA, 8/1 TD/Int
Away/Neutral: 56%, 6.9 YPA, 4/6 TD/Int
Posted on 11/5/18 at 11:49 pm to NanosTacoRun
Jameis Winston had 284 CAREER rushing yards on 145 carries with 7 touchdowns.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:02 am to NanosTacoRun
his home opponents have been Louisiana Monroe, Northwestern State, Clemson, and Kentucky.
Northwestern State
17/25 - 68% - 184 yards - 7.4 YPA, 2 TD
Clemson
23/40 - 57.5% - 430 yards - 10.8 YPA, 3 TD
Louisiana Monroe
16/24 - 66.6% - 210 yards - 8.8 YPA, 1 TD
Kentucky
18/29 - 62% - 226 yards - 7.8 YPA, 2 TD, 1 INT
I hate to keep harping on it but that Clemson game should have an asterisk next to it b/c two of those TDs should really have been endzone INTs.
I remain unimpressed by a Kentucky team that has won a bunch of games against very average SECE teams led by either mediocre or erratic QBs.
Northwestern State
17/25 - 68% - 184 yards - 7.4 YPA, 2 TD
Clemson
23/40 - 57.5% - 430 yards - 10.8 YPA, 3 TD
Louisiana Monroe
16/24 - 66.6% - 210 yards - 8.8 YPA, 1 TD
Kentucky
18/29 - 62% - 226 yards - 7.8 YPA, 2 TD, 1 INT
I hate to keep harping on it but that Clemson game should have an asterisk next to it b/c two of those TDs should really have been endzone INTs.
I remain unimpressed by a Kentucky team that has won a bunch of games against very average SECE teams led by either mediocre or erratic QBs.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 12:10 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:09 am to Dr RC
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I remain unimpressed by a Kentucky team that has won a bunch of games against very average SECE teams with mediocre and/or erratic QBs.
You mean like NICK FITZGERALD?
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:11 am to CGSC Lobotomy
All of them really. Drew Lock is easily the best of the bunch and he frequently turns into a pumpkin when he isn't playing body bag games.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 12:12 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:13 am to Dr RC
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his home opponents have been Louisiana Monroe, Northwestern State, Clemson, and Kentucky.
That's 2 good pass defenses and 2 bad pass defenses, and his numbers were great across the board.
He has 1 good, 1 decent and 1 bad pass defense at home, and I think it's fair to expect numbers closer to what he's done at home than what he's done on the road.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:16 am to Dr RC
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I remain unimpressed by a Kentucky team that has won a bunch of games against very average SECE teams led by either mediocre or erratic QBs.
Their pass defense is one of the best in the nation, after adjusting for opponent strength.
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:21 am to NanosTacoRun
Sorry, I'm never going to be impressed by mostly average at best QBs playing poorly against a team that focuses on playing keep away via ball control.
His numbers vs Clemson were not great either. Go back and rewatch that game. They are fools gold. He got a lot of yards off short passes that the WRs did all the work on and two of those TDs were horrible decisions that were extremely lucky to end as TDs.
His numbers vs Clemson were not great either. Go back and rewatch that game. They are fools gold. He got a lot of yards off short passes that the WRs did all the work on and two of those TDs were horrible decisions that were extremely lucky to end as TDs.
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 12:24 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:24 am to NanosTacoRun
Through 10 games last season, Mond went
Passing: 117-227-6 for 1,375 yards and 8 TD
Rushing: 89 carries for 340 yards and 3 TD
Through 9 games this season, Mond went
Passing: 171-292-7 for 2,252 yards and 12 TD
Rushing: 110 carries for 288 yards and 4 TD
What this tells me is 2 things.
1. He has very poor pocket presence and does not instinctively know when to run and when to throw the ball away.
2. The offensive line is much worse this season than it was last season. I don't know how Connor Lanfear isn't starting at guard unless he has been really hurt all year, but Hocker and Sutherland are a much worse guard tandem than Hocker and Lanfear and Moore and Green are a SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE tackle pair than Martin and Sutherland were before Lanfear was lost for the season last year. It wouldn't shock me at all if our starting offensive line next season is Matthews (LT), Hocker (LG), McCoy (C), Jenkins (RG) and Blanton (RT) with a 2nd unit of K. Green (LT), Clement (LG), McCollum (C), Moore (RG) and C. Green (RT)
Passing: 117-227-6 for 1,375 yards and 8 TD
Rushing: 89 carries for 340 yards and 3 TD
Through 9 games this season, Mond went
Passing: 171-292-7 for 2,252 yards and 12 TD
Rushing: 110 carries for 288 yards and 4 TD
What this tells me is 2 things.
1. He has very poor pocket presence and does not instinctively know when to run and when to throw the ball away.
2. The offensive line is much worse this season than it was last season. I don't know how Connor Lanfear isn't starting at guard unless he has been really hurt all year, but Hocker and Sutherland are a much worse guard tandem than Hocker and Lanfear and Moore and Green are a SIGNIFICANTLY WORSE tackle pair than Martin and Sutherland were before Lanfear was lost for the season last year. It wouldn't shock me at all if our starting offensive line next season is Matthews (LT), Hocker (LG), McCoy (C), Jenkins (RG) and Blanton (RT) with a 2nd unit of K. Green (LT), Clement (LG), McCollum (C), Moore (RG) and C. Green (RT)
This post was edited on 11/6/18 at 12:34 am
Posted on 11/6/18 at 12:55 am to Dr RC
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Sorry, I'm never going to be impressed by mostly average at best QBs playing poorly against a team that focuses on playing keep away via ball control.
Well I guess if you're not impressed, they're just not a good pass defense
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His numbers vs Clemson were not great either. Go back and rewatch that game. They are fools gold. He got a lot of yards off short passes that the WRs did all the work on and two of those TDs were horrible decisions that were extremely lucky to end as TDs.
Here are his Clemson highlights LINK
He hasn't played as good since then, so if you want to label it fools gold, fine. But beyond some huge plays by Rogers, there are a lot of legitimately great throws, great reads, stepping up under pressure and throwing accurately downfield. I don't see him just throwing short passes and letting the receivers do all the work.
Posted on 11/21/18 at 12:15 pm to NanosTacoRun
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Really rough 2 weeks for Mond, but fortunately he's done with road games. He's been 2 different QBs at/away from Kyle
Home: 63%, 8.9 YPA, 8/1 TD/Int
Away/Neutral: 56%, 6.9 YPA, 4/6 TD/Int
Last 2 home games: 63%, 8.9 YPA, 5/1 TD/Int. Hit his previous home avg. dead on.
But now comes the real test...
This post was edited on 11/21/18 at 12:16 pm
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