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Posted on 1/21/15 at 8:35 am to dead money
Posted on 1/21/15 at 8:35 am to dead money
So it looks like A&M is the leader for Lodge now. I'm greedy - I want Lodge AND Merritt. If only we could recruit all positions like we recruit WRs 
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Posted on 1/21/15 at 8:37 am to Asian Sensation
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That was back when we were a running team Don't forget the old school guys like Greg Hill, Leeland, Rodney Thomas, Toombs...
Our current WR recruiting looks like how our RB recruiting used to be.
Very true. I remember when we got Jeff Fuller it seemed like the first legit 4 Star WR we had gotten in forever, probably since the Bethel/Ferguson Class when we took both knowing they wouldn't qualify. Before that you are really looking at guys like Percy Waddle and Rod Harris (as in DeVante's Dad) who were probably the equivalent of Silverand now. Of course back then you just didn't have many elite WR's in Texas because you had lots of option based HS offenses.
It's amazing that now we have 5 Stars to burn and 4 Stars that transfer out because they can't crack the 2 Deep. I think we will be fine on the RB situation, we do need to show our RB's getting more involved this year though.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:09 am to Asian Sensation
According to who?
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:10 am to Farmer1906
Perroni:
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“To be honest, right now I’d guess he ends up at A&M,” the source said. “That’s the feeling I get. He really likes Ole Miss but he felt really comfortable at A&M. Kyler (Murray) has been working on him hard too.
“That’s the difference right now, I think. The quarterback situation with Kyle Allen and with Kyler, that’s going to be hard for Ole Miss to beat. Like any receiver, he wants to catch the ball and he knows that a good quarterback is the most important factor in that.”
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:23 am to dead money
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Very well said TMC.. that analysis and comparison was 100% spot on.
Agreed, thanks TMC. I appreciate it.
Honestly that post made me feel WAY better about getting Snyder instead of Nardog at the first. I have been scared that little moment of being cheap maybe ruined the chance of our "upcycle" coach outdoing RC, but without SEC experience he might have had the same problems. Chavis was always meant to be, we had to misstep to be in the position to make the right step.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:28 am to aggressor
Loved Bethel
I'm concerned about the RB situation for 2016. White looks like a good one, but what if Bradford doesn't work out or progress? We would then be relying on true fish, and Whaley, our top 2016 RB target, is not the A&M lock like everyone seems to think he is.
From Brice:
I'm concerned about the RB situation for 2016. White looks like a good one, but what if Bradford doesn't work out or progress? We would then be relying on true fish, and Whaley, our top 2016 RB target, is not the A&M lock like everyone seems to think he is.
From Brice:
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Talking with Whaley Sunday it didn't sound like a guy that was ready to commit. He has a lot of questions about A&M running the ball moving forward.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:29 am to Asian Sensation
TA said something similar about the difference being QB situation.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:34 am to Farmer1906
So let me see if I understand this. Correct me if I'm wrong:
Early enrollees count towards the previous year's class, right? So we signed 21 players last year, and with 3 EE's in this year, that gives 2014 a total of 24 signees?
And right now, according to rivals, we have 23 verbals, including the 3 EE's. So does that technically give us 20 commits for this class, giving us room for 5 more to join?
Early enrollees count towards the previous year's class, right? So we signed 21 players last year, and with 3 EE's in this year, that gives 2014 a total of 24 signees?
And right now, according to rivals, we have 23 verbals, including the 3 EE's. So does that technically give us 20 commits for this class, giving us room for 5 more to join?
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:52 am to Houston Summit
All the EEs can count toward the previous year. 2014's EEs count toward 2013. We had 7 EEs this year (JUCO counts), so they all count toward 2014. We won't have an issue with the 25 maximum per year, but we might run into issues with the 85 total.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 9:54 am to Asian Sensation
Gotcha. Thanks
Posted on 1/21/15 at 10:27 am to Asian Sensation
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but what if Bradford doesn't work out or progress?
He would have only played one year so it would be kind of dumb to just write him off based on his performance as a true freshman.
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We would then be relying on true fish
As backups for White
Unless we start running the ball 45-50 times a game I'm not concerned
Posted on 1/21/15 at 10:41 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Not writing Bradford off after a year. I said I was concerned about our RB situation for 2016. No one can predict how quickly Bradford progresses.
When Malena was our main ball carrier, JFF supplemented the run game. With Allen at the helm, we're going to need someone to be a change-of-pace back to White. No one knows how our 2016 RB recruiting will go or how ready the 2016 backs will be as true fish. So, yeah, I'm concerned. I'd feel a shite ton better about this situation if we got another back or two for 2015.
When Malena was our main ball carrier, JFF supplemented the run game. With Allen at the helm, we're going to need someone to be a change-of-pace back to White. No one knows how our 2016 RB recruiting will go or how ready the 2016 backs will be as true fish. So, yeah, I'm concerned. I'd feel a shite ton better about this situation if we got another back or two for 2015.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 10:58 am to Asian Sensation
Posted on 1/21/15 at 10:58 am to Asian Sensation
and we will bro...have confidence Coach and his staff will get the job done.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:02 am to Asian Sensation
oh Malik...that is good stuff.
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:04 am to Asian Sensation
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:06 am to Asian Sensation
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When Malena was our main ball carrier, JFF supplemented the run game. With Allen at the helm, we're going to need someone to be a change-of-pace back to White. No one knows how our 2016 RB recruiting will go or how ready the 2016 backs will be as true fish. So, yeah, I'm concerned. I'd feel a shite ton better about this situation if we got another back or two for 2015.
We really don't run the ball enough to be concerned about having four capable ball carriers. If White gets hurt, Bradford isn't that good, and we don't get freshman that are ready to play then we are in trouble. That's a lot of hypotheticals though.
We handed the ball off like 290 times to Carson, Williams and Williams year. We don't need to be dividing that up by four backs. If we can get 150-175 carries from White then get some contributions from Bradford and one of the freshmen then we will be fine. I'm just not that concerned about who will be getting the White/Dolezal garbage time carries in 2016.
I'm much more concerned about O Line in 2016 honestly. We have plenty of talent but there will be a lot of unknowns, I have confidence in Christensen though
This post was edited on 1/21/15 at 11:07 am
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:13 am to Asian Sensation
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All the EEs can count toward the previous year. 2014's EEs count toward 2013. We had 7 EEs this year (JUCO counts), so they all count toward 2014.
I'll try to clarify this incredibly complicated rule. And I'll likely fail
The NCAA rule allows you to sign a maximum of 25 players during a signing period (I won't say day because the period is actually like 3 months) and a hard limit of 25 initial counters (IC)*. All of this has to fit under the 85 man limit. However not all signees necessarily become ICs. I believe this is how Texas is signing as many as they will (they signed 23 last year and plan to sign 31 this). For guys that didn't qualify from the 2014 class, they get another bite at the apple on ICs with Early Emrollees (EE) since they do not count toward the 25 signing limit. This is the NCAA rule.
The SEC felt there was a problem with it and has a touch stricter rule. For one year, you can only sign 25 guys. Period. So non-qualifiers that are never ICs still count against you. Guys that go pro baseball still count against you. Guys that sign in December still count against you. The way it works is that EEs can count against either year. So in our case, we have 7 EEs, but we don't have room for 7 for the 2014 class (I think we have 4) so some count against 2015.
And you can't just look at how many we signed last year, because some of those count against the year before. You have to go back in time to recreate how many spaces a school has. I believe we signed 32 in 2013 but had room for 33. So 1 from the 22 we signed in 2014 (Ced Collins counts despite being medical) counts against 2013. Thus we have room for 4 to count back this year. So we have a hard cap to sign 29 for 2015.
* an Initial Counter is simply a new scholarship player in your program. All incoming players are ICs and walk-ons given a scholarship within their first 2 years on campus also count as ICs (to keep schools from shenanigans)
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:16 am to Asian Sensation
Posted on 1/21/15 at 11:17 am to tmc94
As always, good stuff tmc preciate it
preciate it
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