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Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:38 pm to fibonaccisquared
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It's Tuesday my man... And you did it in subsequent posts.
All good...
long
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:50 pm to GatorReb
he and Anderson wanted to come to UM but didn't have the grades to get in as a transferPosted on 12/19/17 at 4:52 pm to VerlanderBEAST
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he and Anderson wanted to come to UM but didn't have the grades to get in as a transfer
- The only Michigan fan I like shows up right after I talk shite about Michigan in another thread... Looking forward to the RMD this year!
Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:52 pm to fibonaccisquared
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As I said... my opinion is it's silly... Mullen >> Taggart... but it is still just an opinion. Will be interested to see how it actually ends up playing out.
Yeah but it's pretty rare that you take a coach who doesn't have a great track record -- has one of turning around weak programs and the only big time school he was at had a terrible year.
Throw in the fact that he lost his two best coordinators on both sides of the ball, that's not a great move.
All I was saying is that he's talked up several schools because they had injuries and were doing okay and every school he talked up ended up performing terribly.
McElwain checked out after the Michigan game -- whether it was because of suspensions/injuries or not is debatable. Later, though, the Gators team clearly just did not have the horses to keep up. We lost the most players in the entire country and were down to less scholarship players than an FCS.
But TJ was throwing fits when we had back to back 10 win seasons -- and sure, we didn't look good, but it's not like McElwain walked into a great situation. Muschamp mismanaged the roster badly. Like beyond bad. So to me I gave McElwain at least two years to fix a team that had a losing record over the previous two years.
Going from 10 - 13 to 20 - 7 to me is positive, no matter who we're beating. I mean, we dropped Georgia Southern, so as long as we're beating FCS teams regularly I was happy.
I like Finch, he and I disagreed but he's at least moderately civil and makes cogent points while looking at the situation present. TJ is just unhappy for the sake of being unhappy, and even people who agreed with him generally dislike him.
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 4:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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But TJ was throwing fits when we had back to back 10 win seasons -- and sure, we didn't look good, but it's not like McElwain walked into a great situation. Muschamp mismanaged the roster badly. Like beyond bad. So to me I gave McElwain at least two years to fix a team that had a losing record over the previous two years.
Going from 10 - 13 to 20 - 7 to me is positive, no matter who we're beating. I mean, we dropped Georgia Southern, so as long as we're beating FCS teams regularly I was happy.
I like Finch, he and I disagreed but he's at least moderately civil and makes cogent points while looking at the situation present. TJ is just unhappy for the sake of being unhappy, and even people who agreed with him generally dislike him.
Fair enough... As I said... I don't read enough of his stuff to make a completely substantive argument, but I will say that I witnessed some pretty unabated skull bashing on what was reasonably informed and well rationed commentary from him here about Mac. Doesn't mean that it wasn't a blind squirrel/nut scenario. Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:16 pm to fibonaccisquared
I'm not saying he's never right, just saying that he seems to spend a lot of his time defending FSU over Florida and for that frick his couch.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 5:54 pm to pankReb
Are we hyping him? I don't think I've seen major hype on Van. Most think he can be a dependable number 2 for next year. Massey and Toney are slot guys. Hammond and Swain are ehh at best. So Van could be useful immediately and let Toney and Massey be the slot guys.
No one is celebrating this as the second coming as Percy lol..I hope..cause he is good but not elite beyond standard measures.
No one is celebrating this as the second coming as Percy lol..I hope..cause he is good but not elite beyond standard measures.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:21 pm to Gatorbait2008
Good get for Florida.
I remembe wanting him during his first recruitment.
Is this a grad transfer?
Are you hoping for a waiver from ncaa?
I remembe wanting him during his first recruitment.
Is this a grad transfer?
Are you hoping for a waiver from ncaa?
Posted on 12/19/17 at 6:42 pm to meansonny
Not grad but because of the probation I think he will be eligible immediately.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:06 pm to fibonaccisquared
Straws kept pointing out how we won the East and won 10 games and I pointed to Macs lack of offense, wins vs the top 25, poor recruiting and games against fsu and Bama. Mac owns the dubious record as the worst SECCG loss in school history and the ONLY UF coach to not score an offensive TD on FSU in series history. Straws also loves to say Mac was left no talent until you look at the first two draft classes under wm and Mac and see Mac had double the amount of NFL draft picks in his first 2 years and 3x as many picks in Rds 1-3. All straws had was Mac winning the east. As for Mullen his w-l record vs the top 25, his loss to a 6-6 South Alabama team that lost to Idaho, his terrible passing offenses, etc all give me doubt that he can win the SEC. If he has an all star STAFF to fix his shortcomings as a coach and recruiter we'll be fine. If not were consistently going to win 7-9. 2018 schedule is a joke so 9 shouldn't be hard. Emory Jones would be a HUGE step in calming my recruiting concerns with Mullen. I'm objective. Mullen was the 3rd choice.
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Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:11 pm to Gatorbait2008
More because he went to ole miss and the NCAA fricking hates us
Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:23 pm to TJGator1215
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Straws also loves to say Mac was left no talent until you look at the first two draft classes under wm and Mac and see Mac had double the amount of NFL draft picks in his first 2 years
The majority of which didn't even play the entire year, TJ. I can think of like six starters that got injured and didn't see the field.
That in year two, Muschamp had:
1 Offensive Linemen
0 Quarterbacks
0 Starting Wide Receivers
0 Running Backs
On the field, man. You can't recruit one side of the field and then say ''ah man, McElwain had a loaded team''. His defense was certainly loaded, but literally no one on the offense was left-over from Muschamp.
It's not even a debate, man, McElwain inherited a bad team -- made it decent (not good, but definitely better) and then totally gave up on the program this year. Is what it is, but you trying to contort the story to say that McElwain inherited even a decent team is kind of a joke.
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Emory Jones would be a HUGE step in calming my recruiting concerns with Mullen.
To take this back to recruiting this year: Yes it would be, and it would knock out the idea that he's a lazy recruiter.
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I'm objective.
That's subjective.
I mean, you think Taggart has a better track record than Mullen for what exactly? That he coaches at FSU?Posted on 12/19/17 at 8:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
I've said TAGGART has shown a great ability to recruit and a upward trajectory each year. Mullen has not. That's my biggest issue with him. He's too inconsistent and lost to South Alabama in year 8. Those are red flags that and you have to wonder why he stayed in Starkville for 8 years with multiple high profile jobs over the last 5 years being open. All my concerns are backed by the facts of Dan Mullens history as a HC. I don't care what he did as an oc under a hall of fame coach in Meyer.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:07 pm to TJGator1215
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I've said TAGGART has shown a great ability to recruit and a upward trajectory each year. Mullen has not. That's my biggest issue with him. He's too inconsistent and lost to South Alabama in year 8. Those are red flags that and you have to wonder why he stayed in Starkville for 8 years with multiple high profile jobs over the last 5 years being open. All my concerns are backed by the facts of Dan Mullens history as a HC. I don't care what he did as an oc under a hall of fame coach in Meyer.
Because MSU was the staple of stability? I mean, he's only competing with Alabama, Auburn, LSU (3 Title Winners), Ole Miss, LSU and Texas A&M while recruiting the state of Mississippi at a school that hadn't been remotely relevant and was averaging 3 wins a season.
He was about average as a recruiter at those locations as well, and just lost his best recruiters going forward.
Of course, watching you break your back to excuse an FSU coach and lap up rival fans' approval isn't anything new.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 9:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
WT at FSU with Jim and Mario wouldve been a Bit** to deal with, WT by himself is far from a problem imo
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:30 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
And who was Taggart recruiting against at USF? The entire fricking country. TAGGART had a top 5 class at Oregon for Pete's sake. O.r.e.g.o.n.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:40 pm to TJGator1215
I agree with the Mac stuff I said all the same shite. I just think your want for Taggart over Mullen is perplexing. Taggart really has only had two strong recruiting cycles. He took substantially longer than Frost to rebuild a similar program that was in better shape when he got there. Oregon his first year was...blah. Let's see how he recruits without Jim or Cristobal...I'd bet FSU fans will be regretting this hire by year two.
Posted on 12/19/17 at 11:58 pm to TJGator1215
Cristobal and Jim had a lot to do with that class. Notice at USF his classes weren't an improvement over Skip Holtz? For such an elite recruiter, he sure struggled to do it there. He got a good staff recruiting around him at Oregon. He will try the same at FSU.
USF job was good, but he took four years to do what an elite coach could do in two. See Frost. I can get wanting Frost over Mullen, but not Taggart. He is very underwhelming...like completely underwhelming.
USF job was good, but he took four years to do what an elite coach could do in two. See Frost. I can get wanting Frost over Mullen, but not Taggart. He is very underwhelming...like completely underwhelming.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 12:10 am to TJGator1215
He stayed at Starkville because he was comfortable there. UF happened to be the job to leave for. He was rumored for a ton of previous jobs before now. His name was one of the names for basically every big program besides West Coast jobs for the last five years.
You seem to not understand what being at Mississippi State is. Go look at their history.
Notice something. One SEC title...in 1941... Before Mullen, Miss State won four games or less for seven of the last eight years before Mullen. Do you not comprehend just how bad of a job that place is? It's a school in the SEC, that has had a total of 2 consensus All Americans. I mean that is absurd. Dan Mullen is responsible for almost half their bowl wins. Went to EIGHT straight bowls. Their previous longest record of bowl games was three. Once again..an amazing job in the toughest division, in the toughest conference, with the 2nd worst program. This is like winning at Duke, or Rutgers. Just improbably hard to do.
Him winning 9 games there in any year is great coaching. It's an awful program with zero leverage recruiting wise on any other SEC school, save Vandy.
You seem to not understand what being at Mississippi State is. Go look at their history.
Notice something. One SEC title...in 1941... Before Mullen, Miss State won four games or less for seven of the last eight years before Mullen. Do you not comprehend just how bad of a job that place is? It's a school in the SEC, that has had a total of 2 consensus All Americans. I mean that is absurd. Dan Mullen is responsible for almost half their bowl wins. Went to EIGHT straight bowls. Their previous longest record of bowl games was three. Once again..an amazing job in the toughest division, in the toughest conference, with the 2nd worst program. This is like winning at Duke, or Rutgers. Just improbably hard to do.
Him winning 9 games there in any year is great coaching. It's an awful program with zero leverage recruiting wise on any other SEC school, save Vandy.
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