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Posted on 9/12/23 at 6:37 am to finchmeister08
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26 and nearly half of them are SEC schools... yet, somehow, UGA is the only school that knows how to DEVELOP players.
FIFY
Posted on 9/12/23 at 6:40 am to Long Dawg
That’s not the argument. 
Posted on 9/12/23 at 6:56 am to finchmeister08
The argument is basically a hissy fit about recruiting sites likely putting more faith in UGA staff evaluations than UF, even if that’s a reasonable decision on their part.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:00 am to finchmeister08
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WATCH THIS 3* TURN INTO A 5* WHEN HE COMMITS TO UGA!!!
Its the people who do rankings for these sites trusting certain staffs to do the work for them. IDK why people pay for that crap.
If you want to actually find something to be upset about its selective coverage of certain teams. UGA, Bama, and Ohio St get way more content from the national guys than other schools and most of it is just filler.
Theres an article on the front page of 247 right now that is literally titled: "Aydin Breland 'excited' for UGA visit"
Oh, so a recruit is excited to visit a school where he is going to be wined and dined (and potentially sixty-nined)? National news!
Meanwhile some programs could take a recruit on an big game hunt in Africa and have them shoot a giraffe from 1,000 yards away while hanging out of a helicopter and it wouldn't get mentioned
Posted on 9/12/23 at 8:00 am to finchmeister08
How do even keep relationships with that staffs? My son struggles with 3 to 4.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 8:39 am to VolSquatch
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If you want to actually find something to be upset about its selective coverage of certain teams. UGA, Bama, and Ohio St get way more content from the national guys than other schools and most of it is just filler.
That's how it is with every sport. The teams with the largest fan bases will get the most pub. It's why the Yankees/Red Sox is on so much.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 11:33 am to Porter Osborne Jr
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The teams with the largest fan bases will get the most pub. It's why the Yankees/Red Sox is on so much.
I think in terms of recruiting UGA wasn't even top 5 on ON3 IIRC, maybe not even top 10 in subscribers.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:47 pm to finchmeister08
I don't know if he will jump to a 5*. I doubt it and think you are joking, somewhat.
That said I know we were bummed when we didn't get him and felt like he was under ranked. I hope we can pull him.
That said I know we were bummed when we didn't get him and felt like he was under ranked. I hope we can pull him.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:49 pm to Partha
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That and he's from Fulton Co. So he's probably had a strong interest in UGA for a while.
We felt we were in it for him when he committed to Florida, but Florida did a great job recruiting him.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 12:59 pm to finchmeister08
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WATCH THIS 3* TURN INTO A 5* WHEN HE COMMITS TO UGA!!!
I am a little confused. Are you saying when a kid goes to Georgia then he is getting an undeserved bump in rating? If so, then we should drop in on field production and struggle.
Or are you saying that you are mad because when a kid goes to Florida he does NOT get an undeserved bump?
Or are you saying our recruits get a deserved bump...and if so, why does that bother you?
This is the recruiting board and I am not trolling. I am just curious about why you are upset.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 1:33 pm to DawgsLife
Ole Miss is trying to get him on campus for a visit.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 2:12 pm to DawgsLife
I don't think the problem is that players get a bump when they commit to Georgia, its if they are leaning or committed elsewhere, flip/commit to UGA, THEN get a bump.
And also Florida fans in particular pointed out some inconsistencies in evaluations by some of the sites, and they were largely right IMO.
And also Florida fans in particular pointed out some inconsistencies in evaluations by some of the sites, and they were largely right IMO.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 2:40 pm to VolSquatch
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I don't think the problem is that players get a bump when they commit to Georgia, its if they are leaning or committed elsewhere, flip/commit to UGA, THEN get a bump.
I understand that, but what difference does it make? I mean their rating has absolutely nothing to do with their on field production. If a kid is underrated then he will far out perform his ranking and if he is overrated then he will not perform up to his rating. But if coaches are recruiting only toward ratings, then they are in trouble anyway.
Rankings are for fans mostly. It does give us some insight if their future looks brighter.
quote:I get that. but they are all opinions. And who is to say which ones are right and which are wrong. Once again...in the long run rankings are for the fans and do not dictate what a kid will do once on a campus. All rankings are, are bragging rights. If Florida's (or any other school's) coaches coach the recruits up then they will outdo their rankings and vice versa. I don't see them as anything to get upset about.
And also Florida fans in particular pointed out some inconsistencies in evaluations by some of the sites, and they were largely right IMO.
People act like a bump in ranking means the player will perform better. They don't. And if they think their coaches will fight harder to keep a kid if his ranking is high, then their coaches need to be fired for not scouting the players properly.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 2:59 pm to DawgsLife
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I understand that, but what difference does it make?
A large part of recruiting is marketing, and getting good recruiting classes is part of marketing your program. It makes a massive difference. If you feel your players are consistently ranked lower than where they should be, I totally get the frustration.
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I get that. but they are all opinions.
Not exactly. They all use measurables and stats in their evals, but I know ON3 at least is sometimes wildly off with their measurements. Even when they are right on them they selectively apply them in evaluations.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 3:51 pm to VolSquatch
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its if they are leaning or committed elsewhere, flip/commit to UGA, THEN get a bump.
THIS
it all comes down to perception.
Step 1 - FLA gets 3* to commit.
Step 2 - Ranking sites say, "Okay, that's probably right."
Step 3 - 3* decommits from FLA and flips to UGA.
Step 4 - Ranking sites say, "Wait a minute. UGA took them? He must be better than we thought. Give 'em an extra star because we believe UGA has better evaluators than us."
Step 5 - Media says, "Wow, look at all of those stars UGA has compared to FLA, TENN, BAMA, OSU, MIAMI, etc. They are really doing something right down there in Athens."
Step 6 - UGA markets all of this as a plus to get even more highly sought after players.
These rankings sites act like, "We don't believe the other schools evaluations until we get confirmation from UGA first."
Posted on 9/12/23 at 7:54 pm to VolSquatch
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A large part of recruiting is marketing, and getting good recruiting classes is part of marketing your program. It makes a massive difference. If you feel your players are consistently ranked lower than where they should be, I totally get the frustration.
Marketing is important, but if you consistently have highly ranked classes that are over ranked, then the results on the field will catch up to that. No coach wants the world to think they can't get the most from their players. Texas A&M/Fisher is struggling with that right now.
quote:But, whose to say On3 is getting them right and others are wrong? Only time will tell.
Not exactly. They all use measurables and stats in their evals, but I know ON3 at least is sometimes wildly off with their measurements. Even when they are right on them they selectively apply them in evaluations.
But...is there a big difference in a 5* and a mid to high 4*? I doubt it. I mean when you are dealing with 900,000+ kids playing football in the country there can't be some huge gap between #32 and #50 or even #100. There might be 1 or 2 players in a given cycle that is some kind of freak, and is head and shoulders above the rest of the class, but very, very few.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 8:37 pm to finchmeister08
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These rankings sites act like, "We don't believe the other schools evaluations until we get confirmation from UGA first."
If you were a recruiting analyst, would you put more trust in the evaluation of the current UF staff, or UGA?
This post was edited on 9/12/23 at 8:37 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 6:58 am to DawgsLife
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Marketing is important, but if you consistently have highly ranked classes that are over ranked, then the results on the field will catch up to that. No coach wants the world to think they can't get the most from their players. Texas A&M/Fisher is struggling with that right now.
Jimbo just isn't a good coach, the players themselves from those classes have been pretty good for the most part.
The marketing aspect has nothing to do with you not being able to coach players or just misevaluating.
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But, whose to say On3 is getting them right and others are wrong? Only time will tell.
They are getting some guys wrong by their own metrics because they apparently can't read a scale or a tape measure, or time a 40 correctly
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:51 am to VolSquatch
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They are getting some guys wrong by their own metrics because they apparently can't read a scale or a tape measure, or time a 40 correctly
I used to work the Nike Sparq camps. They would take any schmo off the street so it's possible they still do that.
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