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re: GT getting after UT on Recruiting Trail

Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:38 pm to
Posted by Kraven Moorehed
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:38 pm to
-Can you give me examples of starting NFL corners that ran 4.7 or slower. I don't mean like the one guy you listed that went in the 7th round and was a short career backup.

-Oregon was never anything better than decent on defense. They have put a lot of trash defenses on the field

-I said he ran a 4.7 at best and he weighs 170lbs. He isn't that good of a prospect. I hope he proves me wrong because I like to see Tennessee guys do well.

Posted by bisonduck
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 10:56 pm to
quote:

-Can you give me examples of starting NFL corners that ran 4.7 or slower. I don't mean like the one guy you listed that went in the 7th round and was a short career backup.


I said a kid running a 4.7 in high school would improve at minimum .08 with any decent training. I saw it regularly at Oregon and they did regular electronic testing and I poured over the numbers.

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-Oregon was never anything better than decent on defense. They have put a lot of trash defenses on the field


Oregon had a top 10 defense during its run on a per play basis more than a couple times. Our trash defenses came in the last three years. Furthermore, we had some of the best pass defenses on a per pass basis regularly.

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-Can you give me examples of starting NFL corners that ran 4.7 or slower. I don't mean like the one guy you listed that went in the 7th round and was a short career backup


Terrance Mitchell is an active corner on the Kansas City Chiefs and started late in the season last year. He ran a 4.77 his freshman year at Oregon - (he got that down to 4.63 by combine).

The reality is that you're overvaluing a 40 time. It's really not even a functional necessity for a cover 3/quarters team. You're either bailing and have a cushion or your deep quarter is protected by a safety.

ETA: of course, all else equal you want speed. Every great defense has a cover corner.
This post was edited on 8/2/17 at 10:58 pm
Posted by bisonduck
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Posted on 8/2/17 at 11:13 pm to
Btw, Malcolm Butler ran a hand time 4.62 at pro days and Josh Norman ran an electronic 4.66 at the combine.

I didn't even look that hard. It's such an overrated metric.
Posted by ChopBlockOclock
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:45 am to
Justice: LINK

Jaylon: LINK

Both 4 stars...guess it depends on which recruiting service you want to use.

I wouldn't have posted anything about it if I hadn't seen that a UT news site hadn't written an article about it. Just thought it was funny. As GT fans we don't normally see opposing programs complaining about us stealing recruits from them. UT broke the mold.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 5:48 am
Posted by David Ricky
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 6:34 am to
Lol stahp.
Posted by Vols&Shaft83
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 7:12 am to
quote:

As GT fans we don't normally see opposing programs complaining about us stealing recruits from them.



Not a single Tennessee fan is upset that you landed either of these players. You didn't "Steal" shite.
Posted by David Ricky
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 7:18 am to
Headline when this 600something ranked player commits to Georgia Tech



OP: "Eat shite VOLS!!!!!!"
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 7:50 am to
quote:

I wouldn't have posted anything about it if I hadn't seen that a UT news site hadn't written an article about it. Just thought it was funny. As GT fans we don't normally see opposing programs complaining about us stealing recruits from them.


Here's another example of what "4-star" and "backyard" mean.

Trey Dean Composite 4-star Hampton, GA Commits to UT

quote:

The 247Composite Rating is a proprietary algorithm that compiles prospect "rankings" and "ratings" listed in the public domain by the major media recruiting services. It converts average industry ranks and ratings into a linear composite index capping at 1.0000, which indicates a consensus No. 1 prospect across all services. The 247Composite Rating is the industry's most comprehensive and unbiased prospect ranking and is also used to generate 247Sports Team Recruiting Rankings.


Composite Ranking System
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 7:54 am
Posted by Kraven Moorehed
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:05 am to
The average 40 time at the combine for all corners between 2008 and 2012 was 4.55. 4.7 was in outside linebacker and tight end territory. It is in fact slow for a corner back, don't know how you can argue otherwise. I know deep speed isn't the end all depending on scheme but it is a liability on the field. There are 64 starting corners, plus nickels, and backups. You have named like 3 and one isn't a starter.

That is the last I'll say on it, because your argument isn't even what the subject is about. I.e. King wasn't a take or a sought after prospect.

Agree with the 40 being overrated.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 8:07 am
Posted by madmaxvol
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 8:14 am to
From the posts above...Tennessee just got a commitment from a 6'2 - 180 lb Safety that runs a 4.5, while GT got a commitment from a 6'0 - 170 pound Corner that runs a 4.7.

So UT's guy is 2 inches taller, 10 pounds heavier and 5% faster...while playing a position where you would anticipate them being at least 5% slower.

Posted by bisonduck
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

The average 40 time at the combine for all corners between 2008 and 2012 was 4.55. 4.7 was in outside linebacker and tight end territory. It is in fact slow for a corner back, don't know how you can argue otherwise. I know deep speed isn't the end all depending on scheme but it is a liability on the field. There are 64 starting corners, plus nickels, and backups. You have named like 3 and one isn't a starter.

That is the last I'll say on it, because your argument isn't even what the subject is about. I.e. King wasn't a take or a sought after prospect.

Agree with the 40 being overrated.


I looked at the top 10 corners in the league and got to number 4 & 5 and saw they were slower than 4.65. I am sure I can find a lot more. Had you said he wasn't a scheme fit or we need a cover corner than your argument would make sense. You basically just said he shouldn't be a top 250 prospect because he has 4.7 speed. I actually don't disagree that he probably wasn't a take for Tennessee.

I think you can agree that Roof and Mason know what they are looking for. This kid is a great boundary corner prospect for their schemes.
This post was edited on 8/3/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted by Captain Crown
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Posted on 8/3/17 at 5:26 pm to
And we care why?
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