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re: Georgia Recruiting Advantage
Posted on 11/29/21 at 5:17 pm to Chalkywhite84
Posted on 11/29/21 at 5:17 pm to Chalkywhite84
BB is the total package. He can high point the ball with a 40 in vert and with really good strong hands. His spacial awareness is special.
Don't know how UGA got him but he will help them become a premier place for the top TEs.
UGA can get most of the top players in state, but the difference is going out nationally. Kirby has touched on this about his recruiting
Don't know how UGA got him but he will help them become a premier place for the top TEs.
UGA can get most of the top players in state, but the difference is going out nationally. Kirby has touched on this about his recruiting
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Posted on 11/29/21 at 6:18 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The biggest difference, as noted above, is what I heard Tom Luginbill call "state pull" - which basically means the level of desire and % of kids from that state that grew up wanting to go to that school. LSU has that as much or more than any school in the country for most of the state, and they have it without another in-state school that also has it.
This is absolutely true. Having recently driven down the Mississippi side and back up via I-49 it was insane how many Go Tigers signs I saw. I’ve driven all over the entire Southeast for 25 years and have lived in Arkansas my whole life and the level of open public support for LSU in state is at another level versus any other I’ve seen.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 6:25 pm to Cigar
If we cab pull the top 20 guys in state every year. We can compete for nattys regularly. The state of Georgia produces every position 4* and up every year. I would put our best against any states best.
Posted on 11/29/21 at 7:33 pm to amders44
Georgia also recruits nationally a lot more. With Will Anderson, for example, it was perceived that MJ Sherman out of the DC area had higher upside than Anderson and we were only taking 1 OLB that cycle. Obviously that looks like a pretty bad evaluation in hindsight but the point remains that Kirby and staff aren’t afraid to go out West or up north to compete for talent if we feel that the guy in-state isn’t the best possible fit.
Under Richt it was almost exclusively GA, FL, SC, and NC (in that that order) and occasionally a guy from AL, TN, or TX which put us at odds with Bama more often
Under Richt it was almost exclusively GA, FL, SC, and NC (in that that order) and occasionally a guy from AL, TN, or TX which put us at odds with Bama more often
Posted on 11/30/21 at 10:04 pm to Prettyboy Floyd
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Auburn is closer to the homes of a ton of Georgia kids than Georgia.
A ton ?
UGA still has à huge advantage over Auburn when comes to Atlanta kids no matter how close their proximity.Atlanta kids are bombarded by UGA news/ publicity on a daily basis especially with social media.
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Tallahassee Florida is closer to South Georgia kids than Athens.
Please.South Georgia kids are more
loyal to UGA than metro Atlanta kids.
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Atlanta kids get recruited hard by Tennessee.
And? The fact is that there are way more great kids in Atlanta than we can ever sign including blue chips.Not even close to the case in Louisiana and unlike Georgia,the amount of prospects aren't growing because the state isn't.
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you still have to recruit nationally to compete - case and point - Brock Bowers.
What? So if we didn't recruit California kids we couldn't compete nationally?
I think you've got UGA confused with Tennessee.
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If a kid has a sick family member are you going to go play 6 hours away when you play for Thomasville or will you likely look to play 30 minutes away in Tallahassee?
What kind of hypothetical is this and how many South Georgia kids have we lost to FSU in the last 5 years?
Sorry Prettyboy,you're all over the place with this and it isn't 1995 anymore
Posted on 12/1/21 at 12:35 am to Cigar
A&M and Texas have the best recruiting advantage. The sheer volume of high level recruits is unparalleled and they should be able walk off a majority of them.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 8:24 am to t - cam
One thing Jimbo has done is focus on the regional aspect of Texas and really work on locking down Houston. Houston metro actually has about equal talent to Louisiana as a whole (and is more populated). A&M is pressing our advantage as the closest P5 school to Houston and Southeast and then being in the hunt in other regions of the state.
You can't look at Texas as a whole really if you want to understand it, It's really more like 5 states and very complex:
Houston/Southeast Texas
South Texas
DFW/Northeast Texas
West Texas/Panhandle
Central Texas
Houston has the most talent followed very closely by DFW. Central Texas produces solid talent and especially QB's but not nearly the volume of the first 2. South Texas and West Texas are large but don't produce nearly as much talent as the others, especially top end talent.
Texas has a big advantage with so many large HS's (268 6A alone which are 2300 students and above) and with HS football being such a religion. The disadvantage is the demographics of Texas have far less black population than much of the South, only about 12% (mainly in Houston/Southeast and DFW/Northeast). West of I35 and San Antonio on South have well under 5% and the simple reality is you tend to have more college football players that are black and there just aren't very many great Hispanic players proportionately.
You can't look at Texas as a whole really if you want to understand it, It's really more like 5 states and very complex:
Houston/Southeast Texas
South Texas
DFW/Northeast Texas
West Texas/Panhandle
Central Texas
Houston has the most talent followed very closely by DFW. Central Texas produces solid talent and especially QB's but not nearly the volume of the first 2. South Texas and West Texas are large but don't produce nearly as much talent as the others, especially top end talent.
Texas has a big advantage with so many large HS's (268 6A alone which are 2300 students and above) and with HS football being such a religion. The disadvantage is the demographics of Texas have far less black population than much of the South, only about 12% (mainly in Houston/Southeast and DFW/Northeast). West of I35 and San Antonio on South have well under 5% and the simple reality is you tend to have more college football players that are black and there just aren't very many great Hispanic players proportionately.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:54 am to Cigar
States that produce the "elite" players. Georgia is #1
Interesting formula:
Interesting formula:
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Where do the players come from on the top ranked recruiting teams. Where do the top ranked players come from. Where do the players come from on the championship teams each year and where do the players come from that are at the top of the draft. Since high school football, college football recruiting and the NFL draft are such fluid situations, I only used data from the last three years to achieve my rankings. I also only used the Top 5 schools by recruiting rank and the Top 5 players from the last three completed ranking classes (2019, 2018 and 2017). Finally, I only analyzed the last three NFL drafts (2019, 2018 and 2017). This, in my opinion, gives us the clearest picture of what is happening now.
This post was edited on 12/1/21 at 11:58 am
Posted on 12/1/21 at 12:33 pm to RD Dawg
Interesting ranking but it is slanted towards where NC players came from so Bama and Clemson are going to have a lot from Georgia since they border the state on both sides. Lots of elite talents don't go to NC teams. Georgia is loaded though with talent. I would say the consensus is probably:
Texas has the most volume of talent.
Louisiana has the best talent per capita.
Georgia and Florida have both volume and quality.
California has quality and volume but not nearly what you would think based on their population.
Most of all the SEC dominates the talent game based on demographics and the passion for the sport (a very high percentage of elite athletes play football over other sports). Also you have so many "football factory" HS's that recognize talent early and develop it.
Texas has the most volume of talent.
Louisiana has the best talent per capita.
Georgia and Florida have both volume and quality.
California has quality and volume but not nearly what you would think based on their population.
Most of all the SEC dominates the talent game based on demographics and the passion for the sport (a very high percentage of elite athletes play football over other sports). Also you have so many "football factory" HS's that recognize talent early and develop it.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 9:33 pm to aggressor
One of the biggest things Georgia had going for it, in addition to the elite athletes and exploding population, is coaching. It's been discussed as nauseam by college coaches and recruiting guys but the salary scale and benefits in Georgia have lured a whole lot of really good, upper level coaches from around the region (and even nationally) to leave established programs in their state and take over what would be considered average high school programs at the time of their arrival in Georgia.
Kids from most parts of the state generally leave high school with an upper level skill set and training (both football and weight) compared to kids from lots of the rest of the less wealthy South.
Kids from most parts of the state generally leave high school with an upper level skill set and training (both football and weight) compared to kids from lots of the rest of the less wealthy South.
This post was edited on 12/1/21 at 9:34 pm
Posted on 12/1/21 at 9:37 pm to aggressor
Not exactly sure what your definition of volume is.Perhaps the most D1 signees? I do know Florida produces the most NFL players LINK
and I believe the most P5 signees
Nope.Actually Florida and Georgia
are ranked in per capita production Granted this was from 2014 but I don't think much has changed.
BTW.Per participant is a much better metric.
and I believe the most P5 signees
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Louisiana has the best talent per capita
Nope.Actually Florida and Georgia
are ranked in per capita production Granted this was from 2014 but I don't think much has changed.
BTW.Per participant is a much better metric.
Posted on 12/1/21 at 11:03 pm to RD Dawg
The per capita stat they are using is number of HS players to scholarships instead of population to scholarships. Florida has twice as many HS football players but 4x the population. If you go by population Louisiana has more per capita. Having fewer kids playing HS football is not a plus.
Agree Georgia has serious HS football programs as does Texas. The budgets and facilities for many large High Schools here rival small colleges.
Agree Georgia has serious HS football programs as does Texas. The budgets and facilities for many large High Schools here rival small colleges.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 12:01 am to aggressor
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per capita stat they are using is number of HS players to scholarships instead of population to scholarships
And? It's a far more accurate way to calculate the number.
Do you not realize Florida is full
of retirees and transplants? Why should that number count vs actual
participants?
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Having fewer kids playing HS football is not a plus.
Who cares? Once again, a far more accurate than counting pools of population that moved to the state
long after they went to HS
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If you go by population Louisiana has more per capita
Please link your Lousiana figure.
ETA 2019 FBS signees by state
Although not a fan of "per capita"
Georgia comes out ahead of Louisiana if you divide total population 10.7 million by signees
(210) compared to Louisiana (4.6 million by 75 FBS signees)
Alabama and Mississippi also come out ahead "per capita" using these
2019 numbers.
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 1:45 am
Posted on 12/2/21 at 5:30 am to aggressor
TX doesn't have enough football playing black folks to compete with the SEC states? You sound RETARDED. While A&M and TU were pillow fighting for 50+ yrs in a rivalry game that never had Natty implications, they whiffed on these TXHSFB players...
Mike Singletary - Baylor
Cliff Branch went to Colorado
Charley Taylor went to AZST
Tim Brown went to ND
Jessie Armstead went to Miami
Thurman Thomas went to OKST
Eric Dickerson went to SMU
Michael Strahan went to TSU
Joe Greene went to UNT
Gene Upshaw went to A&M Kville
John Randle - A&M Kville
Darrell Green went to Texas A&I
Billy Sims went to OU
Adrian Peterson went to OU
LT went to TCU
RG3 went to Baylor
Michael Carter went to SMU
Jerry Ball went to SMU
Andre Ware went to UH
Ken Harvey - went to Cal
Larry Centers went to SFA
Trent Williams went to OU
Jason Peters went to Arkansas
Danielle Hunter - LSU
Michael Brockers - LSU
Jaylen Waddle - Bama
Mike Singletary - Baylor
Cliff Branch went to Colorado
Charley Taylor went to AZST
Tim Brown went to ND
Jessie Armstead went to Miami
Thurman Thomas went to OKST
Eric Dickerson went to SMU
Michael Strahan went to TSU
Joe Greene went to UNT
Gene Upshaw went to A&M Kville
John Randle - A&M Kville
Darrell Green went to Texas A&I
Billy Sims went to OU
Adrian Peterson went to OU
LT went to TCU
RG3 went to Baylor
Michael Carter went to SMU
Jerry Ball went to SMU
Andre Ware went to UH
Ken Harvey - went to Cal
Larry Centers went to SFA
Trent Williams went to OU
Jason Peters went to Arkansas
Danielle Hunter - LSU
Michael Brockers - LSU
Jaylen Waddle - Bama
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 6:14 am
Posted on 12/2/21 at 5:32 am to BakeMcTribe
A&M and TU have basically whiffed on the greatest TXHSFB players of all-time...NFLHOF, MVP, ALL-Pro, All-America & Heisman talent. I'll throw Drew Brees in there for good measure even though, you know...
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 6:09 am
Posted on 12/2/21 at 8:48 am to aggressor
Your bullsh*t demographics has nothing to do with it. A&M and TU in-state recruiting outside of the MBrown era & Jimbo (TBD) historically, has been garbage compared to other states...
Posted on 12/2/21 at 9:40 am to BakeMcTribe
Not sure of your point. I never argued that Texas and A&M keep all the talent in Texas outside of a few brief episodes. Texas has always had an issue with folks coming in to raid the talent. This thread is about where the talent is.
In Texas the talent is located in the areas I stated above, primarily Houston/Southeast and DFW/Northeast. Half of the land in Texas is West of I35 but maybe 10% of the talent is there (of course even 10% still means you get some great players and Friday Night Lights is based on Odessa Permian).
The simple reality is that there are more black players that are elite athletes proportionately. Georgia, Louisiana, and Mississippi are all over 30% black. Alabama is 27%. South Carolina is 26%. Texas OTOH is 13% and virtually all of it is in the major metro areas and East Texas. West Texas and South Texas have very few black people. Florida also has a slightly higher amount of black population proportionately than Texas but much less than the other Southern states. Texas and Florida are simply so big and they emphasize football they produce a ton of talent anyway.
In Texas the talent is located in the areas I stated above, primarily Houston/Southeast and DFW/Northeast. Half of the land in Texas is West of I35 but maybe 10% of the talent is there (of course even 10% still means you get some great players and Friday Night Lights is based on Odessa Permian).
The simple reality is that there are more black players that are elite athletes proportionately. Georgia, Louisiana, and Mississippi are all over 30% black. Alabama is 27%. South Carolina is 26%. Texas OTOH is 13% and virtually all of it is in the major metro areas and East Texas. West Texas and South Texas have very few black people. Florida also has a slightly higher amount of black population proportionately than Texas but much less than the other Southern states. Texas and Florida are simply so big and they emphasize football they produce a ton of talent anyway.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 9:46 am to RD Dawg
I think the greater point on Georgia vs Louisiana is it depends on which year and what stats you want to look at. They both crank out a huge amount of talent by population as does Mississippi and Alabama. Your point about the quality of football coaching and facilities in Georgia is valid though and that may change the game long term. Texas still likely has the most investment in HS football from that perspective with such an emphasis on football in public schools but if Georgia can combine investment with the elite raw talent it will continue to be a force. I don't know that with 1/3rd of the population of Texas it will surpass it in volume of talent but who knows.
The one thing I think we can all agree on is there is the SEC footprint and then there is everyone else.
The one thing I think we can all agree on is there is the SEC footprint and then there is everyone else.
Posted on 12/2/21 at 10:10 am to aggressor
This thread sounds like you're making an excuse for the ENTIRE the state of TX having just one Natty in the modern CFB era based on demographics alone - with "only this % and only that % of people...
Metro Houston has more people than Louisiana. Recruit better. There are no other excuses....
Metro Houston has more people than Louisiana. Recruit better. There are no other excuses....
This post was edited on 12/2/21 at 10:18 am
Posted on 12/2/21 at 10:46 am to aggressor
You realize that 13-15% of 29M people in TX is damn near the entire population of most SEC states right? There's lies, there's damn lies and then there's statistics...
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