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re: Do you LSU fans still feel strong about Malik Newman
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:15 pm to cas4t
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:15 pm to cas4t
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It sounds like it. Sorry for being harsh.
I can be the same way at times. My immediate reaction is just to assume people are as ignorant as possible because of most of the posters on here.
I think Simmons would be best suited being a true 3. That point forward position that gets thrown around a lot. He belongs on the wing the majority of the time from what I have seen, but is big enough to have a higher rebounding average. He certainly has enough room on his frame to add some weight but I think he would be limiting his ability and ceiling to play large stretches of games at the 4.
Now if they were to go to a smaller line up with 4 "guards" and a post player he would be fine at the 4, and probably create a ton of mismatches.
ETA: It would probably create a mismatch for the other team on the defensive end though because I don't see him as being a type of player to guard someone with above average post moves either. That could obviously change over time, especially if he gains weight, I'm just saying as of right now.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 3:19 pm
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Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:18 pm to MSUbulldogs03
I've watched him in last years Dicks National Championship tournament and against 5 star big men Ivan Rabb, Chase Jeter, and Stephen Zimmerman. From what I've seen, Ben possesses a very good hook over either shoulder and a developing fade away. But he will play very little in the post. Even if we move him down to the 4, it will be in a stretch 4 role.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:18 pm to DynastyDawg
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I think Simmons would be best suited being a true 3. That point forward position that gets thrown around a lot. He belongs on the wing the majority of the time from what I have seen, but is big enough to have a higher rebounding average. He certainly has enough room on his frame to add some weight but I think he would be limiting his ability and ceiling to play large stretches of games at the 4.
Now if they were to go to a smaller line up with 4 "guards" and a post player he would be fine at the 4, and probably create a ton of mismatches.
I agree with all of this and think you've hit the nail on the head with "big enough to have a higher rebounding average".
There aren't a lot of teams lining up 7 footers at the 4 and the 5 anymore, so hopefully he can guard 4's when he's asked to in a mid-game line-up shift.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:20 pm to BobBarker
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But he will play very little in the post. Even if we move him down to the 4, it will be in a stretch 4 role.
Correct. And Dynasty is correct that we will miss the presence of having the 2 bigs this year. But fortunately for LSU, he has so many other positive traits (like getting buckets) that it should make up for some things.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:20 pm to DynastyDawg
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ETA: It would probably create a mismatch for the other team on the defensive end though because I don't see him as being a type of player to guard someone with above average post moves either. That could obviously change over time, especially if he gains weight, I'm just saying as of right now.
I can't deny this as I haven't seen him line up and guard someone down low.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:22 pm to cas4t
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There aren't a lot of teams lining up 7 footers at the 4 and the 5 anymore, so hopefully he can guard 4's when he's asked to in a mid-game line-up shift.
Right, I think he would be good enough to do a couple possessions you just don't want him down there guarding a big man who is going to catch it with his back to the basket for the majority of the game.
Now back to the reason I think this got brought up, as it pertains to Newman's recruitment.
Newman made the comment that he wants big men to play with, and with Mickey and Martin gone, I don't think LSU has that clear cut advantage anymore that they did had they have stayed. Simmons doesn't fill that void, is what I was getting at initially.
ETA: Make no mistake that with a
Malik
Blakney
Simmons
Mickey
Martin
lineup. Jesus Christ. My only hope in that scenario is that I think JJ would trip over himself trying to coach that much talent. He can sure enough get them there but I am not sold on his coaching ability.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:24 pm to cas4t
quote:And you acted as if you've watched him play a lot (which I'd assume is only on the TV/YouTube) so I asked to see some highlights of his post moves. You didn't provide any.
you said you haven't seen them.
quote:I agree he's good in space, but don't know how that will help y'all down low. The original question was whether Mickey leaving would affect Malik's decision as he's stated he would like to play with a good post player to relieve him.
I can't admit something I don't know. I just know he's too good in space to be a on the block player.
quote:A primary post would be someone who plays the post primarily.
He wouldn't be a "primary post" (whatever that is)
quote:I mean I watch a bunch of basketball and have kept up with recruiting a lot for quite some time. Been right about a bunch of players but have been wrong about some as well.
Honestly, you don't seem to know what you're talking about. Hence, my laughing emoticons. Sorry if you're offended. But your ignorance is funny to me.
I don't like the freak athlete big players who only want to play guards. I like for them to develop a post game so if a 6'6" Winslow-esque player is guarding them, they can take them to the low-post and still get buckets. I think Simmons can be very good, but think he would help LSU out a hell of a lot more if he could get easy baskets down low when players of equal size are guarding him. That way when they put a bigger defender on him, he could draw him out and blow past him.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:24 pm to DynastyDawg
I've been busy the last couple of days....did Mickey finally come out and say he's going to the NBA?
I haven't been to the TR
eta just saw the stickied thread.
I haven't been to the TR
eta just saw the stickied thread.
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:25 pm to cas4t
After I saw one of them declare I went over there and thought that they have both come out and said they were leaving now.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:29 pm to DynastyDawg
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The only comparison between Simmons and Martin could possibly be used is size. Simmons is on a completely different level than Martin. Martin does not have nearly the same amount of ball handling ability that Simmons has.
My point was they are going to be used exactly the same. I have no clue why you think someone who plays PF in college is a back to the basket player. Simmons can do it all, and that's the way he'll play at LSU, very similar to Martin. Martin could handle the ball too, and did at times, but Simmons will take that to a new level like this:
LINK
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:30 pm to MSUbulldogs03
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At 6'9" and playing the post like y'all claim he will be
LMAO, no, you claimed this, not us. You are assuming because we said he'll play a lot of 4 in college he's suddenly a "back to the basket" player. Learn college basketball bro
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:32 pm to DynastyDawg
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Newman made the comment that he wants big men to play with, and with Mickey and Martin gone, I don't think LSU has that clear cut advantage anymore
Over MSU? we absolutely do.
Simmons, Victor and 2 7 foot centers...MSU has no one good in the front court
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:34 pm to MSUbulldogs03
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And you acted as if you've watched him play a lot (which I'd assume is only on the TV/YouTube) so I asked to see some highlights of his post moves. You didn't provide any.
It's not my job to provide you with youtube videos. If you're looking for something specific, I suggest you go find it yourself.
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but don't know how that will help y'all down low.
well he's 6'9-6'10. Again, see Winslow. The kid eats rebounds for breakfast and he plays in a very hybrid PF/SF role.
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. The original question was whether Mickey leaving would affect Malik's decision as he's stated he would like to play with a good post player to relieve him.
That's fine. I was addressing a completely different discussion with my response to Dynasty a page or so back. How this affects Newman's recruiting is not up for me to decide. Hell, I just found out that Mickey declared. I've been busy as shite today and lucky to post from the road.
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A primary post would be someone who plays the post primarily.
Well no one has referred to Simmons as our "primary post" so idk why you used that term in the first place.
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I don't like the freak athlete big players who only want to play guards.
Simmons and Jones have both embraced the "point forward" position. Google that if you'd like, but it addresses this. Versatility is not a bad thing, no matter your opinion. NBA scouts and I agree.
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I like for them to develop a post game so if a 6'6" Winslow-esque player is guarding them, they can take them to the low-post and still get buckets
No clue why you're just assuming he doesn't have or won't add this to his game based off of a few highlight videos. But if you don't think Simmons can blow past anybody, then you haven't watched as much tape on him as I initially thought.
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I think Simmons can be very good, but think he would help LSU out a hell of a lot more if he could get easy baskets down low when players of equal size are guarding him
I don't think you realize how good this kid is. He is a pure scorer from anywhere on the floor, as proven by his statistics. Also, idk how they do it at MSU, but at most schools they try to teach kids new things to improve their game. Ex: post moves
This post was edited on 3/31/15 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:36 pm to thunderbird1100
I think the problem here is some of you think Simmons is essentially a combo guard. He is not a great shooter, in fact he could be called an average (developing) shooter. He scores by far the majority of his points close to the basket and defensively can literally guard anyone on the floor.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:43 pm to thunderbird1100
You need to re read because I asked about yalls post now that Mickey is gone and Simmons was the first person mentioned. I didn't assume he was a back to the basket player; I said he needed to have some back to the basket moves.
Yall are getting way too butt hurt over critiquing where a player could get better.
Yall are getting way too butt hurt over critiquing where a player could get better.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:55 pm to DynastyDawg
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My point isn't that Simmons isn't talented, because it is obvious that he is. He's just not a back to the basket-bang down low type of player which you already pointed out. That's what I meant when I said he's not going to fill the void left by the two big men that y'all had this year.
LSU had one back to the basket big this year and that was Darcy Malone. Mickey and Martin played face up or off the dribble.
You don't have the be a back to the basket guy to be impactful in the paint.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 3:56 pm to MSUbulldogs03
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he needed to have some back to the basket moves.
He really doesn't need to, he is a 100% super versatile player who can score however he wants or needs too. You have to guard him in every facet of the game. He can hurt you from deep, he can create his own shot, he can catch and shoot, his feet and handles are unreal for a guy who is 6'9 225 and will blow by any true big attempting to guard him close.
Simmons best offensive aspect is his close to the basket scoring, he's money around there. The biggest offensive things he needs to improve are his 3 point shot and FT shooting, and neither one of those are horrible by any stretch. The dude has amazing vision too, was essentially the PG for Montverde this year on top of everything else.
Posted on 3/31/15 at 4:04 pm to DynastyDawg
Yeah, I think cast is just implying that simmons will only be a 4 in certain situations and against certain teams. Lots of teams lack a huge post presence, and his measurables pretty much fit in perfectly with Jones' up-tempo style
Posted on 3/31/15 at 4:14 pm to tigerbait2010
Agreed. I'm not sure what Thunderbolt and msu982374598265 are talking about
Posted on 4/1/15 at 7:48 am to DynastyDawg
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