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re: Would any "real" Clemson Fan Disagree With Watson & Hopkins?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 10:54 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Posted on 6/9/20 at 10:54 am to PeeJayScammedGT
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DESERVE A WHOLE LOT MORE
Nah.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:00 am to CU_Tigers4life
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I'm beginning to see why Nuk was traded to the Cards. Looks like he got into Watson's head.
I didn't see either of them defending their Coach who had a tremendous impact n being where they are now. Cherry-picking your causes seems very selfish.
He's had problems with Clemson for a while now (Hopkins). He used to say it was because he felt disrespected while he was there having to be the second guy behind Watkins and didn't think he got the ball enough I guess. Then he tried to say it was a paying the players issue and how they were exploited, now this.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:00 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Why the frick did he choose to attend Clemson then? Idiots
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:02 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Why isn't anyone talking about Thomas Green Clemson?
He was a Confederate Officer, the father of another Confederate Officer, and major slave owner?
If we are going to start removing names, then let's start at the top. How about it Deshawn? Hopkins? Didn't think so.
Thomas Green Clemson Wiki
He was a Confederate Officer, the father of another Confederate Officer, and major slave owner?
If we are going to start removing names, then let's start at the top. How about it Deshawn? Hopkins? Didn't think so.
Thomas Green Clemson Wiki
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 11:06 am
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:06 am to Priapus
This is insanity man. He bequeathed the land for the formation of the school. Were they supposed to say no because some uptight folks 100+ years later take offense to anything and everything?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:08 am to SCLibertarian
Only going to get worse because normal people nolonger run for local office.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:10 am to SCLibertarian
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This is insanity man.
I could not agree more.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:22 am to Priapus
They can rename the school Pickens Tech. It's only right.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:30 am to PeeJayScammedGT
frick Clemson and yes I disagree pussyfooted arse liberals man oh and BTW 52-7
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 11:34 am
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:31 am to 2014cock
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They can rename the school Pickens Tech. It's only right.
You win the Rant today.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:40 am to FredBear
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Let's just say that if having your education and living expenses paid for and being treated like a God your entire time in college is being oppressed I sure hope my kids have to face such oppression. I don't give a frick what they name the building or if they decide to change it but please give me some of that treatment they got in college
Do you know what those guys endure. The weight training, meetings, practices, personal time watching "cut-ups" of their practicees. Plus having to be students.
Do you recognize that the revenue from football alone dwarfs the costs of their education?
Up until recently, the scholarship didn't include any money for food or living expenses.
Not to mention the risk of injury or lifelong physical issues that aren't going to be compensated for the college.
It's not a pampered life.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:42 am to JohnnyU
Everyone's beef is with the NFL, NOT the NCAA.
It's the NFL's collective bargaining agreement that keeps elite players in school for 3 years. The NCAA has zero control of that agreement.
It's the NFL's collective bargaining agreement that keeps elite players in school for 3 years. The NCAA has zero control of that agreement.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:44 am to PeeJayScammedGT
I demand we re-name Caesar Salad. No telling how many slaves they owned. Let's change it to Crispus Attucks salad, a true patriot.
Judging people of the past by today's standards is ridiculous. We need to look forward in race relations not backwards and tearing down statues and re-naming buildings will not end racism.
Judging people of the past by today's standards is ridiculous. We need to look forward in race relations not backwards and tearing down statues and re-naming buildings will not end racism.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:46 am to JohnnyU
quote:It's not a pampered life.
It's not a pampered life.
Clemson has a sliding board in a 2 story building and a nap room off the locker room, bro. Pampered is exactly what they are.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:48 am to PeeJayScammedGT
Piss off
Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:50 am to PeeJayScammedGT
I know there are people fighting it in social media but I believe most Clemson alumni wouldn’t fight the removal of the names from campus. I did recently read that the state of SC after the removal of the confederate flag passed legislation “Heritage Act” where it makes it difficult to remove/change names of “heritage sites”. Something like 2/3 vote of the Legislature. Near impossible in other words. I know Calhoun’s house is still on campus. Not sure if Tillman Hall is considered to be one.
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Posted on 6/9/20 at 11:54 am to tigeroarz1
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I believe most Clemson alumni wouldn’t fight the removal of the names from campus.
LOL
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Benjamin Ryan Tillman (August 11, 1847 – July 3, 1918) was an American politician of the Democratic Party who served as Governor of South Carolina from 1890 to 1894
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he was instrumental in the founding of Clemson University
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Tillman was known as "Pitchfork Ben" because of his aggressive language, as when he threatened to use a pitchfork to prod that "bag of beef," President Grover Cleveland. Considered a possible candidate for the Democratic nomination for president in 1896, Tillman lost any chance after giving a disastrous speech at the convention. He became known for his virulent oratory—especially against black Americans—but also for his effectiveness as a legislator. The first federal campaign finance law, banning corporate contributions, is commonly called the Tillman Act. Tillman was repeatedly re-elected, serving in the Senate for the rest of his life. One of his legacies was South Carolina's 1895 constitution, which disenfranchised most of the black majority and many poor whites, and ensured white Democratic Party rule for more than six decades into the twentieth century.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:02 pm to LSU Patrick
All of that is even more reason to remove the name. With the current momentum that BLM has I can see it happening very soon.
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:12 pm to tigeroarz1
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All of that is even more reason to remove the name. With the current momentum that BLM has I can see it happening very soon.
What about the Clemson name itself?
Coming from a Confederate Officer and slave owner.
You would have no problem with the name change in that instance or only in the other ones?
Posted on 6/9/20 at 12:16 pm to tigeroarz1
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I did recently read that the state of SC after the removal of the confederate flag passed legislation “Heritage Act” where it makes it difficult to remove/change names of “heritage sites”.
You know, I've always heard from Clemson folk that they can't change the name of Tillman Hall because of the Heritage act, and I always took it at face value. Well, I went and looked it up and here is the applicable section of the Heritage Act.
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Section 1-10-30. The Infantry Battle Flag of the Confederate Army of Northern Virginia (Confederate Battle Flag) displayed on the Confederate Soldiers' Monument on the State House grounds, and any monument, marker, memorial, school, or street erected or named in honor of the Confederacy or the civil rights movement located on any municipal, county, or state property shall not be removed, changed, or renamed without the enactment of a joint resolution by a two-thirds vote of the membership of each house of the General Assembly approving same. This provision shall not apply to the maintenance and repair of the monument, marker, memorial, school, or street.
Good ole Bin Tillman was only 17 in 1864 (born August 11, 1847) and did not fight in the Civil War. As he was too young, he had nothing to do with the Confederacy. His racism didn't start until AFTER the war (and I don't think he led the type of "civil rights movement" the act is referring to.) Therefore, the naming of Tillman Hall on Clemson's campus is NOT protected under the heritage act. Clemson could change it TODAY if they wanted to.
Furthermore, the act only protects "Any monument, marker, memorial, school, or street erected" Since the Calhoun Honors College is not a physical building, just the name of a college program, it is also not subject to the Heritage act. Again, Clemson could change it today if they wanted to.
They don't want to.
This post was edited on 6/9/20 at 12:21 pm
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