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re: Why is Nutt a QB "Killer"
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:37 pm to moleyrussellswarthog
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:37 pm to moleyrussellswarthog
Because he's fricking crazy???
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Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:43 pm to southernstunna1
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posts like this make me fear the future for Ole Miss football.
He'll get you eight wins or so a year, but nothing beyond that on any consistent basis. From an outsider looking in, that's a hell of a lot better than what Ole Miss has seen on a consistent basis, outside of the 2003 season, since the 1960s.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:47 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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From an outsider looking in, that's a hell of a lot better than what Ole Miss has seen on a consistent basis,
I gotcha'
Ole miss should be happy just to win 1 sec game.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:48 pm to pioneerbasketball
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I gotcha'
Ole miss should be happy just to win 1 sec game.
We were bowl eligible for 9 straight seasons prior to 2004.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:49 pm to pioneerbasketball
I'm telling you, Houston is a good fit for Ole Miss.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 8:50 pm to inelishaitrust
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We were bowl eligible for 9 straight seasons prior to 2004.
what was you after that?
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:13 pm to pioneerbasketball
Why is he a QB Killer?
Because his entire system and philosphy sets the QB, and the offense as a whole, up for failure.
Several points:
1) He only teaches 4 pass protections (this comes from quotes from players after he left Arkansas; for perspective, Petrino has over 30). Even with good athletes on the OL, defenses at this level feast on that level of simplicity and get pressure on the QB. Which leads me to #2....
2)Nutt is extremely conservative (read: scared) by nature and goes to max protection schemes, and only sends two and sometimes just one WR out on a route. TE's and RB's are used almost exclusively for protection, which severely hampers the offense's ability to punish aggessive defenses. Even if the defense rushes 7 guys, they still have 4 to cover 2.
3) Nutt is not good at coaching screens. In fact, during his ten years at Arkansas, we were one of the worst screen teams in the country. Yet another tool to punish pressure defenses out the window.
4) Nutt's practices are not high-paced and efficient like most top coaches. When Petrino got to Arkansas, the players literally tried to just survive practice. It was a whole new experience. Guys like Petrino want to get an insane amount of reps in, somethine Nutt doesn't do. While Mallet and Wilson were throwing 40 passes in 11 v 11 scrimmage and a hundred more in 7 v 7 a day, Snead was going 5-9 in his scrimmages.
4) Nutt coaches not to lose, and it rubs off on his QB's. He nails it in their head to not make mistake, and so even when they make the right read they second guess, hesitate, and no timing can ever develop for the offense.
There's more, but that's plenty for now.
Because his entire system and philosphy sets the QB, and the offense as a whole, up for failure.
Several points:
1) He only teaches 4 pass protections (this comes from quotes from players after he left Arkansas; for perspective, Petrino has over 30). Even with good athletes on the OL, defenses at this level feast on that level of simplicity and get pressure on the QB. Which leads me to #2....
2)Nutt is extremely conservative (read: scared) by nature and goes to max protection schemes, and only sends two and sometimes just one WR out on a route. TE's and RB's are used almost exclusively for protection, which severely hampers the offense's ability to punish aggessive defenses. Even if the defense rushes 7 guys, they still have 4 to cover 2.
3) Nutt is not good at coaching screens. In fact, during his ten years at Arkansas, we were one of the worst screen teams in the country. Yet another tool to punish pressure defenses out the window.
4) Nutt's practices are not high-paced and efficient like most top coaches. When Petrino got to Arkansas, the players literally tried to just survive practice. It was a whole new experience. Guys like Petrino want to get an insane amount of reps in, somethine Nutt doesn't do. While Mallet and Wilson were throwing 40 passes in 11 v 11 scrimmage and a hundred more in 7 v 7 a day, Snead was going 5-9 in his scrimmages.
4) Nutt coaches not to lose, and it rubs off on his QB's. He nails it in their head to not make mistake, and so even when they make the right read they second guess, hesitate, and no timing can ever develop for the offense.
There's more, but that's plenty for now.
This post was edited on 10/12/09 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:16 pm to pioneerbasketball
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what was you after that?
What you'd expect to be with an Ogre coaching your team.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:19 pm to inelishaitrust
Nutt kills QBs because he doesn't devote enough time to developing it. I suspect it's only 30% of practice in the spring and maybe less in the fall. Nutt doesn't understand nor trust the passing game and he'll never let his OC develop one. You watch. Your QB throws a pick and he goes almost exclusively to the run game.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:22 pm to ljhog
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Nutt kills QBs because he doesn't devote enough time to developing it
Which is weird considering he was a QB.
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our QB throws a pick and he goes almost exclusively to the run game.
Or benches him for the rest of the season
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:30 pm to FootballHog
Aside from the game philosophy, I really don't think Nutt focuses on helping the QB improve.
I don't think he knows how.
A lot of people here speculated that it was because Nutt had some kind of weird ego thing going on about having been a flat-footed whiteboy QB from Central High and not actually being very good, but having been told he was greatness by his father.
I don't know. I do think the guy has narcissistic personality disorder.
Perhaps we all read way too much into why Houston Nutt does what he does.
I really don't think the guy is all that intelligent. He sure is a lobbyist and politician, though. Maybe he missed his true calling. But, he is also making 2.5 million per year, so I guess he's Peter Principled out this whole coaching gig.
I have a suggestion for you if you want to see the comparison Arkansas fans are making. Go on your TV guide and see if you can find the Bobby Petrino Show on FSN or whatever. DVR it. Watch it. Then compare it to the Houston Nutt show.
Petrino uses his segments to breakdown individual plays with an on screen marker, and explain why a play works. Its pretty awesome.
Compare that to the "emotions first", heart-string tugging that HDN resorts to. Just compare and see how big the difference is there.
I believe people rely on emotion and appeals to the "heart" when they reach the limit of their ability to understand, reason, and think. The fact that Nutt's first move is towards cheerleading shows you how limited his intelligence is when it comes to football. His genius lies in stroking egos and inspiring emotions. That shite flies for a season, then it fails. I saw it happen here in 1998, and I am not the least bit surprised in how Ole Miss' season has gone so far in the second year of the Nutt era.
I don't think he knows how.
A lot of people here speculated that it was because Nutt had some kind of weird ego thing going on about having been a flat-footed whiteboy QB from Central High and not actually being very good, but having been told he was greatness by his father.
I don't know. I do think the guy has narcissistic personality disorder.
Perhaps we all read way too much into why Houston Nutt does what he does.
I really don't think the guy is all that intelligent. He sure is a lobbyist and politician, though. Maybe he missed his true calling. But, he is also making 2.5 million per year, so I guess he's Peter Principled out this whole coaching gig.
I have a suggestion for you if you want to see the comparison Arkansas fans are making. Go on your TV guide and see if you can find the Bobby Petrino Show on FSN or whatever. DVR it. Watch it. Then compare it to the Houston Nutt show.
Petrino uses his segments to breakdown individual plays with an on screen marker, and explain why a play works. Its pretty awesome.
Compare that to the "emotions first", heart-string tugging that HDN resorts to. Just compare and see how big the difference is there.
I believe people rely on emotion and appeals to the "heart" when they reach the limit of their ability to understand, reason, and think. The fact that Nutt's first move is towards cheerleading shows you how limited his intelligence is when it comes to football. His genius lies in stroking egos and inspiring emotions. That shite flies for a season, then it fails. I saw it happen here in 1998, and I am not the least bit surprised in how Ole Miss' season has gone so far in the second year of the Nutt era.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:35 pm to wmr
Nutt's two most successful campaigns at Arkansas were:
1998: with a lot of talent, but no inspiration. Nutt came aboard and fired everybody up, made them "believers" and called games with a kind of "nothing to lose" mentality.
2006: With a lot of talent, and an OC who brought a lot of new looks, new formations, and new ideas to an otherwise stagnant offensive philosophy.
The rest of his time here was one big "meh" with a lot of "so close" and tons of FAIL.
1998: with a lot of talent, but no inspiration. Nutt came aboard and fired everybody up, made them "believers" and called games with a kind of "nothing to lose" mentality.
2006: With a lot of talent, and an OC who brought a lot of new looks, new formations, and new ideas to an otherwise stagnant offensive philosophy.
The rest of his time here was one big "meh" with a lot of "so close" and tons of FAIL.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:36 pm to wmr
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I believe people rely on emotion and appeals to the "heart" when they reach the limit of their ability to understand, reason, and think. The fact that Nutt's first move is towards cheerleading shows you how limited his intelligence is when it comes to football. His genius lies in stroking egos and inspiring emotions. That shite flies for a season, then it fails. I saw it happen here in 1998, and I am not the least bit surprised in how Ole Miss' season has gone so far in the second year of the Nutt era.
I'll buy this.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:38 pm to southernstunna1
No. he's not a QB killer. He doesn't give the QB's alot of options. He doesn't spend alot of time in the passing game. But, passing does not win in the SEC.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:39 pm to wildrebeltime
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No. he's not a QB killer. He doesn't give the QB's alot of options. He doesn't spend alot of time in the passing game. But, passing does not win in the SEC.
Most of Sneads development last year can be attributed to Austin. No offense to the Nutt huggers but its a fact. Austin did wonders last year hopefully he can bring Snead back around.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:40 pm to lowspark12
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the OL play isn't very good, and there's absolutely no imagination scheme/play-calling wise.
wait I thought you said you were talking about Ole Miss, you sure you aren't talking about LSU
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:40 pm to wildrebeltime
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He doesn't give the QB's alot of options. He doesn't spend alot of time in the passing game.
Almost a decent post here.
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But, HOUSTON NUTT does not win in the SEC.
There. Fixt it for ya.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:40 pm to wildrebeltime
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No. he's not a QB killer. He doesn't give the QB's alot of options. He doesn't spend alot of time in the passing game. But, passing does not win in the SEC.
I bet this season is KILLING you.
HDN exposed for the fraud he is, and Mallett is kicking arse and taking names.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:41 pm to SwineFlu
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Mallett is kicking arse and taking names.
Is very very good. And I hope someone talks him into leaving after this year. I know it wont happen but a guy can dream.
Posted on 10/12/09 at 9:42 pm to wildrebeltime
In another year or so, I predict Arkansas fans and Ole Miss fans will be like good buddies who dated the same insufferable bitch.
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