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re: Why is Nick Saban such a better coach at UA than at LSU?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:54 pm to genro
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:54 pm to genro
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So I wasn't far off
Yes you were. Shula's best class was ranked #11 and that was only because we signed a ton of guys. He had zero top 5 classes and zero top 10 classes. The 2007 class barely made it into the top 10 because of how Saban closed that class out. No elite classes during the Shula era, period.
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Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:56 pm to tider04
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Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:57 pm to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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LSU was his first major HC job, UA his 3rd.
BS. MSU is a BCS program and was at least as good as a horrible LSU program at the time.
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Ask Dubose, Franchione and Shula
Yeah ask them. They all won at least 10 games, Dubose won a SECC and Fran won the west in 2002 while on probation. Ask away!
This post was edited on 1/22/13 at 12:00 am
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:59 pm to JDM1992
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There are a whole lot of schools that would consider a top15 class elite, especially considering the limitations. I'm not one that refuses to admit Shula did anything right. There are a lot of reasons Shula failed, but recruiting wasn't one of them.
In the dog eat dog world of the SEC, top 15 won't cut it. You show me one SEC champ the last decade that doesn't have at least 1 elite top 5-10 class. I'll save you some time....you can't.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:01 am to JDM1992
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There are a lot of reasons Shula failed, but recruiting wasn't one of them.
Recruiting was a big part of it. You look at that '06 class ranking and you say, "Well…he did a good job that year." What that ranking fails to tell you is how many of those players actually ever made it to campus. We signed two 5 stars athletes that year: Andre Smith and Mike Ford. Ford ended up at South Florida. Most of the major contributors from that '06 class were actually 2-stars like Mike Johnson and Javier Arenas who came out of nowhere to be All-Americans once Saban got here.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:04 am to RollTide1987
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Recruiting was a big part of it. You look at that '06 class ranking and you say, "Well…he did a good job that year." What that ranking fails to tell you is how many of those players actually ever made it to campus. We signed two 5 stars athletes that year: Andre Smith and Mike Ford. Ford ended up at South Florida. Most of the major contributors from that '06 class were actually 2-stars like Mike Johnson and Javier Arenas who came out of nowhere to be All-Americans once Saban got here.
I don't blame Shula for not signing elite classes, heck with the horrible probation we were under and no HC experience he did a pretty darn good job just to sign top 15-20 classes. But this idea that he was some good recruiter that left Saban a ton of talent is just plain wrong. He didn't sign a single top 10 class and that's a fact.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:05 am to tider04
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Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:05 am to tider04
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BS. MSU is a BCS program and was at least as good as a horrible LSU program at the time.
You don't know what you're talking about but I'm doubtful explaining it would do any good.
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Yeah ask them ( Dubose, Franchione and Shula). They all won at least 10 games, Dubose won a SECC and Fran won the west in 2002 while on probation. Ask away!
Fired, bailed in a call in from an airplane, fired.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:10 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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You don't know what you're talking about but I'm doubtful explaining it would do any good.
MSU won 10 games in 1999, Saban's last year there. What was LSU's record in 1999? Tell me again how LSU is a big-time job and MSU isn't during that time frame?
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Fired, bailed in a call in from an airplane, fired.
Irrelevant. Those names were brought up to show how even bad head coaches had success at Alabama that they found nowhere else. Fact.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:13 am to tider04
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Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:13 am to JDM1992
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Yep. Only one coach since 1918 has gone without at least one 10 win season (Whitworth).
Astounding.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 12:19 am to tider04
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MSU won 10 games in 1999, Saban's last year there. What was LSU's record in 1999? Tell me again how LSU is a big-time job and MSU isn't during that time frame?
So, according to you, since LSU was 9-3 in 2004 at Saban's departure and UA was 6-7 (later 2-7) in 2007 at Saban's arrival...LSU was a big time job and UA wasn't, correct?
I think it has to do with having an attention span greater than an hour ago, which is why explaining it will have little effect.
Have a good night man.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 1:19 am to Rabid Tiger
The new posters really suck this offseason.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 2:18 am to remaster916
quote:And every LSU fan/alumnus that is honest with themselves knows this.
Had Saban never left LSU, there is no telling how MANY NC's LSU would have won by now. My guess would be 4 or 5.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 2:39 am to BRAVEHEART
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And every LSU fan/alumnus that is honest with themselves knows this.
Hindsight. After going 13-1 in 2003, we went on to lose 3 games (including our bowl game) in 2004. Sound familiar? I've learned from reading this board that scenario means "we were on the decline".
Posted on 1/22/13 at 2:48 am to NBamaAlum
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There is no Candy to eat in Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 1/22/13 at 3:09 am to dbt_Geaux_Tigers_196
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So, according to you, since LSU was 9-3 in 2004 at Saban's departure and UA was 6-7 (later 2-7) in 2007 at Saban's arrival...LSU was a big time job and UA wasn't, correct?
I'd like to jump in and say yes this was probably true at the time.
The national media said Alabama was not a powerhouse program anymore. Mal Moore was almost considered a laughing stock for saying he was going to hire a proven head coach with an established record of success at the highest level of college football. No one like that would even consider Bama, we were gonna have to settle for a rising mid level coach and hope he pans out. When rumors surfaced that Bama was trying to hire Saban everyone said we were delusional, it was never gonna happen. Hell, even Rich Rodriguez thought coming here was a mistake. Does that sound like a big time job?
Posted on 1/22/13 at 3:28 am to northalabamacracker
Saban would be better anywhere right now. He is just a better coach than he was 10 years ago. It's not rocket science.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 3:45 am to northalabamacracker
Bama expects to win, Saban expects to win. Perfect combo, not really that hard to understand. Saban had plenty of success at LSU.
Posted on 1/22/13 at 8:03 am to northalabamacracker
I think Coach Saban is the same coach now as compared to LSU or Michigan State
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