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re: Why is Nick Saban such a better coach at UA than at LSU?
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:08 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:08 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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This debate, which I must commend you for keeping fairly civil, comes down to one thing... If Saban had stayed at LSU he would have 3 or 4 more national championships to go with his 03 nc. The success would be identical
Doubtful. His classes at Bama have been much more elite top to bottom. He doesn't have many "down" years at Bama either. Pretty much in the hunt every year, and that wasn't the case at LSU. He was a very good coach at LSU...Alabama has made him a legend.
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Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:09 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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This debate, which I must commend you for keeping fairly civil, comes down to one thing... If Saban had stayed at LSU he would have 3 or 4 more national championships to go with his 03 nc. The success would be identical.
I agree with this line of thinking
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:10 pm to cas4t
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You're the one who made the comment. Link em and we'll look.
No thanks. If you don't believe me you can look them up. Typical lazy coonass.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:12 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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If Saban had stayed at LSU, LSU would have 5 national championships in the decade. He went to the pros, though, and now he's doing it at Alabama instead.
Here's the thing though. Saban never would have stayed at LSU for long. He always had his eye towards the NFL. He would have left no matter what so it's ridiculous to speculate about how good LSU would have been if Saban had stayed around.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:13 pm to tider04
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Doubtful. His classes at Bama have been much more elite top to bottom. He doesn't have many "down" years at Bama either. Pretty much in the hunt every year, and that wasn't the case at LSU
You have to understand the different dynamic he entered LSU in vs Alabama. He had to rebuild the hell out of LSU off of two terrible coaching hires and help them tap their potential. He was also establishing himself in the south. His last two years, LSU had the number 1 and number 2 class. He would've kept those coming(as he has at BAMA) and the two previously mentioned classes would've matured and LSU would be legitimately elite talented and not just "well coached".
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:13 pm to tider04
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No thanks. If you don't believe me you can look them up. Typical lazy coonass.
I don't think you know how message boards work
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:14 pm to Bench McElroy
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If Saban had stayed at LSU, LSU would have 5 national championships in the decade. He went to the pros, though, and now he's doing it at Alabama instead.
Here's the thing though. Saban never would have stayed at LSU for long. He always had his eye towards the NFL. He would have left no matter what so it's ridiculous to speculate about how good LSU would have been if Saban had stayed around.
Hence the word "if" being used. Clearly he had his eye on the NFL. That's not the point.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:15 pm to cas4t
Shula had some pretty good classes. I think maybe one top 5 class and a couple top 10. The cupboard wasn't bare.
However the large majority of players on the 09 NC team were Saban recruits - Barrett Jones, Rolo, JJ, Ingram, Trent, etc etc
However the large majority of players on the 09 NC team were Saban recruits - Barrett Jones, Rolo, JJ, Ingram, Trent, etc etc
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:16 pm to Bench McElroy
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Here's the thing though. Saban never would have stayed at LSU for long. He always had his eye towards the NFL. He would have left no matter what so it's ridiculous to speculate about how good LSU would have been if Saban had stayed around.
The speculation is necessary though to answer the OP's question. If the success would've been similar, it proves that he isn't so much better of a coach. We'll never know, but I think it's fairly obvious the success would've been there.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:18 pm to genro
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Shula had some pretty good classes. I think maybe one top 5 class and a couple top 10. The cupboard wasn't bare.
However the large majority of players on the 09 NC team were Saban recruits - Barrett Jones, Rolo, JJ, Ingram, Trent, etc etc
hence my "sometimes bad coaches are good recruiters" line and further proves the point of it being a Saban thing and not a "BAMA unique" thing
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:26 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
You have to pick. Either UA gets a "unfair bump" from the media and gets into the title game over OK State and it is an easier place to win....or neither are true.
Ya gotta pick, LSU fans. The same thing you bitch about for the title in Nola is what UA fans are talking about here...
Ya gotta pick, LSU fans. The same thing you bitch about for the title in Nola is what UA fans are talking about here...
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:29 pm to NBamaAlum
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You have to pick. Either UA gets a "unfair bump" from the media and gets into the title game over OK State and it is an easier place to win....or neither are true.
Ya gotta pick, LSU fans. The same thing you bitch about for the title in Nola is what UA fans are talking about here...
Yep because other LSU fans represent me 100%.
I was actually about to post this. If BAMA has one legitimate claim of advantage to their name it is the fact that y'all are an iconic program in the eyes of the media. That certainly helps with recruiting but I believe the recruiting base of UF, UGA, and LSU make that advantage even.
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Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:34 pm to northalabamacracker
I think it has a lot to do with Bama's superior fan base. 
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:42 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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hence my "sometimes bad coaches are good recruiters" line and further proves the point of it being a Saban thing and not a "BAMA unique" thing
Not true. I think Shula's highest rated class was #11 and that was because we signed like 32 guys that year. He never had an awesome class. Not once. And every coach we have had since Bryant has won 10 games at least once, and that's saying something because we have had some stinkers. Heck, Dennis Franchione won 10 games and the SEC West in 2002--we were just on probation. And you saw how he did at TAMU. What was Stalling's record before he got to Bama? It was horrible. You can't deny the Alabama mystique. It's there, all the facts point to it.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:43 pm to genro
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Shula had some pretty good classes. I think maybe one top 5 class and a couple top 10. The cupboard wasn't bare.
Shula's recruiting classes as ranked by Rivals and Scout:
2004: Rivals - #24 Scout - #19
2005: Rivals - #18 Scout - #16
2006: Rivals - #11 Scout - #18
2007: Rivals - #10 Scout - #22**
**Shula was fired before signing day and parts of this class were put together by Saban and the new coaching staff.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:45 pm to CRAZY 4 LSU
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That certainly helps with recruiting but I believe the recruiting base of UF, UGA, and LSU make that advantage even.
Really? Bama has 4 NC's since 1992. UGA has zero in 30 plus years, LSU has half that many and UF trails that number as well.
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:49 pm to northalabamacracker
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Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:51 pm to Dalosaqy
Posted on 1/21/13 at 11:53 pm to northalabamacracker
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Why is Nick Saban such a better coach at UA than at LSU?
LSU was his first major HC job, UA his 3rd.
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Or is Bama just easier to win at?
Ask Dubose, Franchione and Shula
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Spurrier thinks it is obviously.
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The gap isn't that wide, but does exist, due to experience and getting better at his job I'd imagine. Plus having one foot out the door in 2004 (much like his last year at MSU).
2000-2004 48-16, 2 CC's 1 NC
2007-2011 57-12, 1 CC, 2 NC's
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