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re: Why do college football/basketball players feel they are so deserving to be paid?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:31 am to pvilleguru
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:31 am to pvilleguru
quote:In pro sports, the #1 priority for a player is to make as much $$$ as they can by padding their stats. Most amateur players are more team oriented. That's why there's so much one-on-one action in pro basketball. Good team work often makes up for less of individual talent.
Letting them make money on their name is a pretty damn easy and good way to let them make money.
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Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:34 am to coachcrisp
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:39 am to Quicksilver
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while another institution makes billions off of them
What institution makes this? The vast majority of athletic departments operate at a loss and need government subsidies.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 8:42 am
Posted on 3/15/18 at 8:57 am to GatorsGators
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Do you hate capitalism?
No, but these are kids and kids need to be protected from predators.
We don't allow sexual predators of kids but we allow financial predators in the name of capitalism? Seems like a slippery slope and a oversimplified answer to a complex issue.
While the current system is not perfect it is better than a wholesale free for all where everybody wanting a piece of a kids earning power stops them bare before they are 30 and throws them to the wolves when their prime earnings power is over.
Look, if you want to skip college and go pro that is fine but if you do choose college you need to be serious about actually preparing for a job once the playing days are done. On the side of the college they need to actually educate you and prepare you for life if they are going to make money off you while you are getting your education.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:03 am to OleManDixon
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If schools don’t wish to become employers they can’t require a student-athlete to stick around for any period of time.
Yet most scholarship are 1 year renewable
If a kid is old enough to contact (18 in all states?) then the contract is binding as long as both sides receive consideration if I remember correctly from my law classes. If you are a paid employee I think you are right but when the consideration does not include money you are not
Hence playing for money is employee
Playing for education is not employee
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:08 am to pvilleguru
Which do you prefer?...college or pro sports?
Posted on 3/15/18 at 9:36 am to coachcrisp
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Which do you prefer?...college or pro sports?
Depends on the sport. I love pro hockey and soccer and college football and basketball. If UA quit playing football and basketball, I would probably quit watching those two altogether. If UA had NCAA hockey and soccer, I'd watch those a lot more.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:07 am to pvilleguru
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How many players in minor leagues can you name? Further break it down by AAA ball, AA ball, and A ball with AAA being star players, AA being regular contributors and A being benchwarmers.
quote:Well you, sir, are the exception. You are probably in the top 1% of fandom. Most casual fans of the major sports leagues would not be able to name any minor league players or their stats. This Bud's for you.
I can name quite a few in hockey and soccer. Don't give a shite about baseball but would be able to name a lot if I cared.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:18 am to pvilleguru
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I can name quite a few in hockey and soccer. Don't give a shite about baseball but would be able to name a lot if I cared.
Now how many of them make a lot of money off their names? To the causal fan they are unknown. How many hockey players in the minor leagues (Or whatever they call it in hockey) have endorsement contracts worth millions? or even thousands? Same for baseball.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:49 am to DawgsLife
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How many hockey players in the minor leagues (Or whatever they call it in hockey) have endorsement contracts worth millions? or even thousands?
Probably quite a few have are making at least some money off of apparel/equipment companies (skates, sticks, etc.). But I'm sure they are all allowed to make money by signing autographs, making appearances, etc.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 11:50 am to BoomBoomBoom
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Most casual fans of the major sports leagues would not be able to name any minor league players or their stats
Most fans that follow a team can at least probably name one of the team's top prospects.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:16 pm to Dawgfanman
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Poor poor academically inept teens who can run fast and jump high are given access to an education well beyond what they deserve in exchange for playing a game they love..oh the horror.
Well you just said it, these guys aren't suited for educational institutions, so why should they be basically forced to go there to get to their chosen career fields?
So why can't the leagues just allow whoever wants to come in after high school to come in? The ones that don't want them in academia will be happy, the athletes will be happy, win/win.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:17 pm to pvilleguru
quote:I've never followed any minor leagues in any sport, and I'll bet most fans don't either. But on the hand, almost every CFB fan can name the stars for teams that they don't even follow. These student athletes are the beneficiaries of exposure because of the school the attend. I follow LSU because I spent four years of my life there. I couldn't care less if Baton Rouge had a minor league team. I follow Bama, UF, AU, UGA, UF... because LSU plays in the SEC. If those cities had minor league teams I wouldn't be able to name any of the players. These student athletes are household names, again because of the schools they attend. This exposure is priceless.
Most fans that follow a team can at least probably name one of the team's top prospects.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:18 pm to pvilleguru
quote:Don't you find it more than ironic that the pro sports that you prefer, aren't well followed nationally, while your favorite college sports are the "biggies"?
Depends on the sport. I love pro hockey and soccer and college football and basketball. If UA quit playing football and basketball, I would probably quit watching those two altogether. If UA had NCAA hockey and soccer, I'd watch those a lot more.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:20 pm to BoomBoomBoom
Which makes it even dumber that they aren't allowed to profit from it while in college
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:22 pm to tjv305
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There is no good way to pay athletes. Most of them cost the university money . Paying all athletes does make anything fair when only football and men’s basketball make much money for the university.
Sure there is, allow the athletes that can earn money from their likenesses to do so. Let the sell autographs, make appearances, whatever. If no one wants you, too bad. There doesn't have to be an equitable system here. The ones that can earn money on their own as dictated by demand should be able to do so.
This post was edited on 3/15/18 at 12:23 pm
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:25 pm to Goldrush25
100% correct
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:39 pm to Cheese Grits
quote:But what if you played a sport that didn't generate revenue? How is a kid that played water polo getting to pull from the pot fair when his sport doesn't generate any revenue? He gets to go to school free and get a residual income afterwards?
#7 If you play you have access to a fund (run by NCAA) to give you residual payments after you have attained a degree from a 4 year college or university (and not one of the online diploma mills either)
Posted on 3/15/18 at 12:57 pm to pvilleguru
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Probably quite a few have are making at least some money off of apparel/equipment companies (skates, sticks, etc.).
In the minors? I mean, you would know more than I do, but in baseball they typically don't have endorsement contracts, other than maybe getting some gloves, bats etc. for free. Certainly not enough money to pay for an education. While true they make enough to pay for room and board, most will share apartments to help make ends meet...then they wouldn't have an additional $50,000 or so to pay for tuition, books and tutors. I can tell you that a minor league baseball player isn't getting near the deal a college football player is getting. I should say that the top 10-20 players probably do better, but the vast majority doesn't get anywhere near that.
Posted on 3/15/18 at 1:02 pm to DawgsLife
Just looked it up, and the average minor league baseball player makes about $12,000 a year. (5 month season)
The average monthly salary for a triple-A minor league baseball player in 2014 is $2,150 per month. Players receive this pay for the five months of the baseball season, for a yearly average salary of just over $12,000. Players in their first year of a contract in the minor leagues earn a maximum of $1,100 per month. They also get $25 per day for food when traveling to away games. Big players may receive a bonus to help them through the minor league years financially. In 2014, Major League Baseball was hit by a class-action lawsuit alleging the minor league players received less than minimum wage for playing and were paid no overtime.
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The average monthly salary for a triple-A minor league baseball player in 2014 is $2,150 per month. Players receive this pay for the five months of the baseball season, for a yearly average salary of just over $12,000. Players in their first year of a contract in the minor leagues earn a maximum of $1,100 per month. They also get $25 per day for food when traveling to away games. Big players may receive a bonus to help them through the minor league years financially. In 2014, Major League Baseball was hit by a class-action lawsuit alleging the minor league players received less than minimum wage for playing and were paid no overtime.
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