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re: Why Carolina hired Muschamp instead of Herman and how the search failed.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:23 am to tylerdurden24
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:23 am to tylerdurden24
My point was more around the fact that Muschamp is a more "proven" HC than Smart by default. Only time will tell if that changes, but if I'm Georgia, I don't spend too much time worrying about what SC has done, and more time thinking about what Georgia has done.
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Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:26 am to tylerdurden24
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tylerdurden24
Why Carolina hired Muschamp instead of Herman and how the search failed.
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Thank you for your informed opinion. Now, looking closer to home, how do you explain that UGA is allowing Smart to stay at bammer until after Jan. 11th? Do you not find it a bit pathetic that UGA cannot get the coach they just hired to get on campus for over another month?
There's literally nothing for him to do here except recruit and hire a staff. And he's staying for the next 10 days to do just that. Once the recruiting dead period begins, he will return to Bama to gameplan and attend practice before the playoff games, during which time it will be a ton of free exposure for UGA as we are mentioned every time they show Kirby on screen. Once Bama is done, he will return to UGA full time.
How is this a bad thing for UGA?
This guy is a sharp UGA poster and gets it, especially about the free exposure. And trust me...most Auburna fans get it to and would expect the same if the shoe was on the other foot and Auburn was in the CFP. But you do get some AU fans who (a) like to talk smack about it anyway, or (b) just aren't very smart.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:27 am to kywildcatfanone
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but if I'm Georgia, I don't spend too much time worrying about what SC has done, and more time thinking about what Georgia has done.
I don't think the coaches or admins give a shite about what Carolina is doing. But we fans can give a shite. We can give all the shits we want because we've got that kind of time to spare
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:30 am to iglass
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Basically, Houston just confirmed to Herman that over the last year, they were deliberately willing to pay him less than they truly thought he was worth. There is clearly nothing that changed about his job approach, qualifications, and performance that changed overnight when he got a contract extension and raise. So why would you remain employed for a company/employer that is pretty much stealing from you, when you have a chance to go to a company/employer who values you more?
If you really believe this I can see why you're a former recruiter.
Herman wasn't being underpaid when he accepted the Houston job.
He received a hefty raise based on performance.
This post was edited on 12/7/15 at 8:31 am
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:31 am to tylerdurden24
Fair enough. 
I'm not sure about this Smart move, firing a tremendously successful coach and hiring an unproven assistant to be HC is a bold move. Will see how it plays out in recruiting and on the field.
I'm not sure about this Smart move, firing a tremendously successful coach and hiring an unproven assistant to be HC is a bold move. Will see how it plays out in recruiting and on the field.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:31 am to tylerdurden24
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I don't think the coaches or admins give a shite about what Carolina is doing. But we fans can give a shite. We can give all the shits we want because we've got that kind of time to spare
I think it is kinda cool to see Smart @ UGA and Muschamp @ South Carolina. I'm hoping by some miracle that South Carolina can get good because there could be some fun UGA-SC games in the future.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:34 am to CockInYourEar
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uga's coach or assistants won't be there until January!
Thanks for the recruits we're about to flip.
lol. SCjr. is a shite show and just hired a shite show as HC.
The only thing Muschamp's going to flip are breakfast flap jacks.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:35 am to Mizz-SEC
Oh look another Mizzou fan in a South Carolina coach thread. Shocking development
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:36 am to kywildcatfanone
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I'm not sure about this Smart move, firing a tremendously successful coach and hiring an unproven assistant to be HC is a bold move. Will see how it plays out in recruiting and on the field.
Bottom line...Georgia decided that Richt just couldn't take them any farther, and sometimes a change is good for BOTH parties. Richt could win the NC at Miami, and it still wouldn't mean that Georgia made the wrong decision. You see it all the time in sports when players and coaches benefit just from a change of scenery.
And as far as Smart being unproven...just look at all the other candidates and all the other hires. It may be that the only candidate or hire out there that really looked better was...Richt himself. When you look at all the other options, Smart looks like a damn good choice.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:37 am to tylerdurden24
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How do we know Houston wasn't planning on giving Herman a raise at the end of the year (when most raises are given)? The only reason this came up sooner was because Carolina was apparently trying to make a move during the middle of the season so Houston had to respond
Stop making sense. It destroys the board vibe.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:41 am to CNB
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CNB
Meh. If it weren't for the OP analyst explaining the possible process I'd have stayed out of it.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:42 am to Beantownbulldog
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This is all simply my informed opinion.
How informed are you really? You basically summarized exactly what Jimmy Sexton does every year.
We all know what those BS search firms do. It is nothing groundbreaking. Who above age 20 does not know to counteroffer in business?
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:57 am to Mizz-SEC
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Herman wasn't being underpaid when he accepted the Houston job.
He received a hefty raise based on performance.
This. It wasn't like Houston was pulling one over on him and was knowingly, grossly underpaying him.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 8:59 am to Mizz-SEC
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If you really believe this I can see why you're a former recruiter.
Herman wasn't being underpaid when he accepted the Houston job.
He received a hefty raise based on performance.
You are incredibly uninformed.
To be sure, and I noted so, that there are some differences when comparing college football coaching searches to the real world. Fair enough. The process has evolved greatly with the increased use of agents over the last 25 years.
But there are also a lot of similarities. If you think that the U of Houston was going to automatically DOUBLE Herman's salary out of the goodness of their hearts, you're insane. Houston's athletic program is not profitable and they are having to subsidize athletics across the board.
You're telling me that Houston, if the job search would have never come to light... that they were gonna automatically show up on Herman's front porch one Thursday evening and say "Coach, you've done a great job. We're gonna tear up your multi-year contract and write you a new one for an extra $1.4M a year. We may have to increase student fees or something, but congratulations, coach!"
Yeah, right. Not without pressure, they don't.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:02 am to iglass
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If you think that the U of Houston was going to automatically DOUBLE Herman's salary out of the goodness of their hearts, you're insane.
For one thing this ^^^
And for the brilliant Carolina poster that said every 20 year old knows how to counter offer you're entirely missing the point.
The point is to PREVENT a counter offer scenario PREEMPTIVELY.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:04 am to iglass
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Yeah, right. Not without pressure, they don't.
No employer gives raises out of the blue with no pressure.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:05 am to Beantownbulldog
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The point is to PREVENT a counter offer scenario PREEMPTIVELY.
Bingo. On the plus side for counter offers there is more money. On the negative side, about ten reasons (some are not as applicable in college football, but still...).
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:05 am to Beantownbulldog
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Herman was job shopping- not because he necessarily wanted to move to Carolina but because he may have wanted some leverage to negotiate his new contract at Houston. My bet is that his agent knows how these things work.
Herman and Urban Meyer have the same agent.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:34 am to iglass
I appreciate your insight. It's obvious to me that you absolutely understand executive search.
Didn't realize it would take both of us to try to share information with the ranters.
Didn't realize it would take both of us to try to share information with the ranters.
Posted on 12/7/15 at 9:55 am to Herman Frisco
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I think it shows class from both Smart and UGA
Agree with you about this. UA and UGA both handling this transition honorably.
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