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re: Why Arkansas always have so many players go in the portal?

Posted on 12/23/22 at 5:09 pm to
Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
25804 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 5:09 pm to
Some of these players struggled getting into the rotations and I'm sure were encouraged to leave.

The portal will give him a chance to find diamonds in the rough like Matt Landers and John Ridgeway.
Posted by redeye
Member since Aug 2013
8685 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 5:26 pm to
Always?

We didn't have that many last year. Just that most of them went to LSU and we got better LSU players in return.

It's a mix of reasons this year.
Posted by JoseyWalesTheOutlaw
In The Ham
Member since Nov 2017
12448 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 5:28 pm to
They're still chasing the Neon Rainbow (NFL Money that isn't going to happen). It is good to get rid of all your recruiting mistakes as soon as possible. Help them pack and recruit over them.
Posted by Clark14
Earth
Member since Dec 2014
24306 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 5:43 pm to
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Why Arkansas always have so many players go in the portal?


This is not a mass exodus of our key players. There are as good or better players in the portal Sam will reach out to. This is much ado about nothing.
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4198 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:04 pm to
quote:

Pittman wasn't hired to win a championship. They won't say that out loud, but that's the reality.


Every Arkansas fan has to hope for the best, but literally no one thinks he was hired to win a championship, and no one believes he will. Other than that, I don't know why your post is being downvoted.

We were slated to play in a bowl in '20 against TCU before it got canceled. If we kept our cupcake non-cons, that was a 6–6 year. This is three bowls in a row he's gotten us to, so he's obviously stabilized the program in short order. And in year three, it's a little too early to pull the plug. If he gets it all figured out pretty soon and consistently wins 8/9 a year, he's loved enough that he'll get to stay awhile.

The bottom line is we hired someone who is a natural leader across the board, but his lack of experience at HC and the lack of ambition in CFB to prepare him for that jump has bitten him and us in the arse. He could secretly be a championship level coach, but in taking this job at 59, he waited too long to spend a decade learning how to be a head coach.

It's not really the University's fault. Arkansas produces the fewest blue chip football recruits in all 11 of the SEC states (soon to be 12) by a fairly significant margin. However, I will say that Sam Pittman has been the first coach to start keeping the top in-state recruit actually in state, which I think is absolutely the first step. Sometimes that top recruit is the only 4* to come out of Arkansas that year. Until we address this issue of high school football not being very competitive on a national level, we're stuck at the middle of the pack in football. It's frustrating because it's only a matter of time before we frick around and win some basketball and baseball natties, but the football natty seems as out of sight as Arkansas winning a Super Bowl. And make no mistake, we ARE a state that cares about football. Our fans turn up even at the worst of times. But maybe that's the problem. Until our administration gets serious about winning football games (which means not hiring the SMU coach with a losing record, not hiring lifelong o-line coaches, and not getting fat alcoholics ludicrious extensions for a 7–6 season that still leaves them with a losing overall record), we won't see the improvement we want. And until fans stop being OK with mediocre to downright terrible on-field products, then the motivation to stop kowtowing to our Fortune 500 boosters isn't very strong.
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4198 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:10 pm to
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Because the portal makes the rich richer, and Arkansas isn't rich. All the portal talk annoys me. Every radio show, every sports article. "We can fix this position in the portal!" It's like the NFL people talking about a shitty draft and saying "it's ok we can fix this in free agency". How often does that actually happen? It does, but it isn't the norm. If you are depending on free agency to get your team to the next level, you are kidding yourself. Same with the portal in CFB. Are there some exceptions? Of course. Rattler to USC could be an exception. The exceptions are numerous. But most portal transfers are busts.


ETA- it's like getting low in your checking account and saying "it's ok, we can get some scratch offs at the Chevron and turn this around really quick".


I think you're getting too cute with the analogies, lol. It's basically like relying on a team mostly of JUCO transfers. That's the obvious comparison. Bill Snyder made Kansas State - one of the absolute worst "P5" football programs in the nation - into a consistent competitor by smartly utilizing JUCOs. I'm not saying we should do that and make it our identity for 20 years, but any team relying on the portal isn't realistically trying to be Alabama, Georgia, or LSU good. They're trying to be TCU, Wisconsin, or Oregon good. Which is pretty damn good, all in all. Get to that point, then figure out if you can build upon it from there.

You don't have to think about strategies like this because Georgia has enough talent for UGA and the surrounding states to all feast upon after they rip their own states apart.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
21748 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:13 pm to
Let’s see, no chance of winning anything ever.

Have you been to Arkansas?
Posted by j1897
Member since Nov 2011
4026 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:17 pm to
quote:

Not really. Arky is losing more production than any other team in the league.

Yahoo Sports


frick your facts, we suck, and will continue to do so. Your opinions won't change that.
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4198 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:19 pm to
quote:

Let’s see, no chance of winning anything ever.

Have you been to Arkansas?



This really loses its bite when a Tennessee fan says it. No baseball or basketball natties, and two football championships from 70 and 25 years ago.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
21748 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:22 pm to
I just sit here and laff at Arky fans
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4198 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:29 pm to
I guess whatever makes you feel better about your lot in life. I won't try and take that away from you.
Posted by DuckTalesLOL
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2018
6068 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:31 pm to
quote:

I have said this since he got hired.

He was the perfect dude to take all the talent Chad Morris recruited (That was left) and actually do something with it.

Beyond that he is not a capable P5 head coach.


Lol. Arkansas has started the last 2 seasons 4-0 and 3-0, both years in the Top 10.

Drink hasn't even had a winning season and this is year 3.

Worry about your own coach.
Posted by Serraneaux
South of 30a
Member since Mar 2014
21748 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:33 pm to
Pitboss!

6-6. Lol.
Posted by piggilicious
Member since Jan 2011
37309 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:33 pm to
quote:

Other than that, I don't know why your post is being downvoted.


I can’t say for sure (because I didn’t read past what you quoted) but he’s a dick pretty much always so for every one downvote he probably deserves 50.
Posted by DuckTalesLOL
Arkansas
Member since Aug 2018
6068 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:33 pm to
Pittboss is 1-0 against Tennessee, and Arkansas has a 3 game winning streak against Tennessee. LOL
Posted by borotiger
Murfreesboro Tennessee
Member since Jan 2004
12443 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:34 pm to
quote:

Bill Snyder made Kansas State - one of the absolute worst "P5" football programs in the nation - into a consistent competitor by smartly utilizing JUCOs. 


While true, he also recruited kids that sat on the bench, grew and stayed. If I remember correctly, his teams were always upperclassmen heavy.
Posted by V Bainbridge
Member since Jul 2020
7883 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:35 pm to
quote:

I just sit here and laff at Arky fans


Weird. You sit around and laugh at teams you haven't beaten in almost two decades?
Posted by BeattheVols
Member since Apr 2022
965 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:35 pm to
Serraneaux,

Can't wait until Tennessee sucks again!

Posted by dchog
Pea Ridge
Member since Nov 2012
25804 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:41 pm to
Much better than 2-10.
Posted by VagueMessage
Springdale, AR
Member since Jun 2013
4198 posts
Posted on 12/23/22 at 6:41 pm to
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Pitboss!

6-6. Lol.


What's your point? Derek Dooley never had a winning season at Tennessee. Lane Kiffin lost six games the one year he was there before he bolted for a real job. Butch Jones lost six games three of his five years and never did better than Sam's 9–4, while bringing in back-to-back top ten and top five recruiting classes. Two of three for Jeremy Pruitt were losing seasons with a high of 8–5.

That's four coaches in a row, and #5 has yet to prove he's not a flash in the pan. At some point, you have to realize the problem is you and you're not who you thought you were.
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