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re: Why are so many people here against players being paid?
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:03 am to Leto II
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:03 am to Leto II
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Because most of these people were never college athletes and don't get it.
No, but I was a full time student and I worked a job 30-40 hours a week to pay my bills, pay rent, buy books and food, etc., and my compensation was less than football players before NIL.
I still graduated with some student loan debt that I paid back myself entirely.
Tell me again what I don’t understand about being a college athlete because I assure you, they had a much better setup even before NIL than I did.
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Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:18 am to jonnyanony
quote:Are you serious? If I was a 19 year old kid, I'd run naked to whatever college would have offered me that deal!
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Because they are already compensated:
Full ride scholarship
all books/fees paid
special tutors
all housing paid
all meals paid
+ stipend
That's great. Would you trade your salary for this?
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:22 am to ibldprplgld
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Tell me again what I don’t understand about being a college athlete because I assure you, they had a much better setup even before NIL than I did.
You realize only 2 sports give them full scholarships, right? There are a shite ton of college athletes on 10% scholarships, book only etc. that were not able to hold jobs because of time or NCAA red tape.
The demands of a college athlete are much more than a traditional student, even ones that have to work their way through school.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:23 am to coachcrisp
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If I was a 19 year old kid, I'd run naked to whatever college would have offered me that deal!
Again, that's ONLY the case in football and basketball.
These new rules affect all student athletes.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 10:26 am to themicah85
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Have you ever been a regular student? If so tell me how much you owe.
No, I was a student athlete who got books and supplies after my freshman year. But tuition was a fraction of what it is now 30 years ago.
Most student athletes do not get full scholarships, books, meals, stipends etc.
Football and basketball, yes. Baseball, swimming, gold, tennis, track, cross country, volleyball etc. do not.
Their times demands are just as much, if not more than football or basketball and holding a job during season is not a realistic option.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 10:28 am
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:09 am to Leto II
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The demands of a college athlete are much more than a traditional student, even ones that have to work their way through school.
You are painting with a VERY broad brush here. Do you have any evidence to back this up? I worked 20 hours per week for a major shipping company, the entire school year. Also had to drive back and forth to work about 45 minutes total. There wasn't an athlete on campus putting as much time into their sport as I was into work, and I wasn't working an excessive amount.
Even putting aside the time factor, It's weird you think that playing soccer or tennis at the collegiate level is equal to working at Subway or as a cashier at a grocery store.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:36 am to Sgt Tuffnuts
I don’t want any athletic scholarships. Academic only. As the word scholar implies. Overall level of play would go down, but it would be level.
Let all athletes without academics go minor league like baseball.
Let all athletes without academics go minor league like baseball.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 11:41 am to udtiger
and a bunch of boomer left wing faggots at the NCAA and media companies making billions compared to... what even is the value of all you just said added up? a communications degree from even Vanderbilt isn't worth jack shite. housing and food? pennies a-hole. this is about old assholes making money off the backs of young men who bust their arse. this shite hasn't been amateur since television broadcasting don't let any rose tinted **** boomer tell you other wise. every team rode dirty. all players have been paid. the goal now is to make aure the bulk of that goes to the players and not windbag academic losers
Posted on 1/14/23 at 1:40 pm to GooseCreekGamecock
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And let's add in other intangibles. How about those medical/training facilities that are for the exclusive use of athletes? Guarantee you if you tried to go into one of those indoor practice facilities at a major university you would be thrown out on you ear. How about value of tutoring and other educational support activities provided by the universities?
But no, the counterarguments consist of dog whistles like 'slave labor', etc, when in fact, student athletes were already handsomely compensated, although that compensation was from the value of services/amenities received.
Ok. So let's say an extremely successful fortune 500 company comes to you and says they will offer you a wonderful job. Free housing, free medical, free gym, free expert training with free tutoring support (worth whatever the company itself decides it's worth - so some ridiculously huge amount), along with a nice stipend of a few thousand dollars every three or four months? Pretty nice deal right? You'd jump at that right?
Now your next monthly mortgage payment comes due, along with your car payment. Wife needs to do some shopping for weekly groceries for the family and balance that out with all of the utility bills. She'd also like to go ahead and plan next family vacation. How are you going to pay for all of that? With free tutoring or free medical or free education?
The whole point of a capitalist system is that there is a medium for free movement of trade and labor. That's a big reason why we have a legal tender for an established currency. If industries could get away with paying people with free education (that they themselves set the value of) and housing and whatever other nonsense people here seem to insist on, instead of actual money, what dystopian world would we all be living in?
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 1/14/23 at 1:44 pm to Leto II
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No, I was a student athlete who got books and supplies after my freshman year. But tuition was a fraction of what it is now 30 years ago.
Most student athletes do not get full scholarships, books, meals, stipends etc.
Football and basketball, yes. Baseball, swimming, gold, tennis, track, cross country, volleyball etc. do not.
Their times demands are just as much, if not more than football or basketball and holding a job during season is not a realistic option.
Again, you know you could just not do it and pay for school like the rest of us.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 1:48 pm to jonnyanony
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That's great. Would you trade your salary for this?
At 18 years old? I'd have crawled naked over broken glass for that opportunity.
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:07 pm to Leto II
You don’t have to be college educated to have common sense…
Posted on 1/14/23 at 2:15 pm to Leto II
quote:THIS is the area that needs to be restructured. It would make sense to increase the scholarship benefits within the university experience...and I'd bet it would be easier and less expensive to do.
Again, that's ONLY the case in football and basketball.
These new rules affect all student athletes.
This post was edited on 1/14/23 at 2:16 pm
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