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re: Why are fans of other SEC teams pulling for the Gators?
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:24 pm to luke2003
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:24 pm to luke2003
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Obviously, but that doesn't mean you automatically root for a hated in-conference rival.
Maybe not. But it takes a lot to elevate the rival to the status that you woulnd't root for them against an undeserving OOC team. An example of this is 'Bama against the Utes. Lots of LSU fans were cheering for Utah. We play Florida every year. Some years we win, some years they win. But there is a fairly healthy respect. Plus, the deal is that we take turns with them winning the NC. It's their turn.
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Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:24 pm to Hooligan33
This year I can see how UT fans would be really wanting to see OU lose. Then they can say, "see, it should have been us and the rules need to change." If OU wins, then everyone will think the BCS got it right.
I think the majority of fans in the SEC will pull for a conference team against any OOC opponent unless a loss benefits their team. Since a loss only hurts the conference during bowl week, you see a lot more SEC fans supporting all of the teams. Obviously not all fans feel this way, but I think it is a majority.
I'd much rather see someone from the SEC win a NCG or bowl game if my team cannot be there.
I think the majority of fans in the SEC will pull for a conference team against any OOC opponent unless a loss benefits their team. Since a loss only hurts the conference during bowl week, you see a lot more SEC fans supporting all of the teams. Obviously not all fans feel this way, but I think it is a majority.
I'd much rather see someone from the SEC win a NCG or bowl game if my team cannot be there.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:28 pm to tigerdup07
Longhorns and Sooners are also rivals. If it was Auburn playing Oklahoma I don't think there would be anywhere near the Bama fans supporting the SEC rep. Just as the LSU fans were against Bama last week. As a whole though, the SEC schools support each other.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:32 pm to seawolf06
Let me pose this question another way. If all you are looking for is the benefit of a higher ranking in the polls b/c your team plays in a tough conference why not hope that UF plays a great game and loses by 3? What's the harm in the SEC and Big XII being considered the two toughest conferences in the land?
I think something different is going on. I think there is some sort of inferiority complex that manifests itself through SEC pride.
I think something different is going on. I think there is some sort of inferiority complex that manifests itself through SEC pride.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:33 pm to DvlsAdvocat
I do think the regional pride issue, or specifically "Southern pride" issue is more of a factor in the SEC than other conferences. Texas, Colorado, and Iowa don't share the same issues the way Louisiana, Tennessee and South Carolina do.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:33 pm to DvlsAdvocat
I do think the regional pride issue, or specifically "Southern pride" issue is more of a factor in the SEC than other conferences. Texas, Colorado, and Iowa don't share the same issues the way Louisiana, Tennessee and South Carolina do.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:33 pm to luke2003
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I think there is some sort of superiority complex that manifests itself through SEC pride.
Only took changing 3 little letters to get it right.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:34 pm to luke2003
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I think there is some sort of inferiority complex that manifests itself through SEC pride.
Inferiority Complex?
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:36 pm to luke2003
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I think there is some sort of inferiority complex that manifests itself through SEC pride.
I don't think it's inferiority, but the SEC states have more in common than just being business partners like in many other conferences.
Plus the SEC saw before anyone else that strengh in numbers is a good thing and advantagous. They were the first to go to the 12 team championship game format and play the system well.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:36 pm to luke2003
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Let me pose this question another way. If all you are looking for is the benefit of a higher ranking in the polls b/c your team plays in a tough conference why not hope that UF plays a great game and loses by 3? What's the harm in the SEC and Big XII being considered the two toughest conferences in the land?
I think something different is going on. I think there is some sort of inferiority complex that manifests itself through SEC pride
We have been seeing this year how the media wants to proclaim the Big 12 as being the best conference. With only two bowl games against each other, this is our last chance to prove them wrong.
Southern pride is a lot stronger than you assume. No inferiority complex here. We all want the SEC to bring home a 3rd straight NC because then it makes all their opponents (especially Ole Piss) look a lot better and will therefore receive higher rankings in subsequent years.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:39 pm to Ghostfacedistiller
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I do think the regional pride issue, or specifically "Southern pride" issue is more of a factor in the SEC than other conferences.
+1
"Us against the world" attitude never goes away, just manifests in different ways.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:41 pm to seawolf06
It's an us against them mentality. This was seen during the Civil War too (or, if you prefer, War of Northern Aggression). States that weren't dependant on the slave economy threw their hats in with those that were.
Arkansas, Tennessee, etc... had nothing to gain in fighting for the South and Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, Bama fans, etc... have nothing to gain by supporting UF.
Arkansas, Tennessee, etc... had nothing to gain in fighting for the South and Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, Bama fans, etc... have nothing to gain by supporting UF.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:41 pm to luke2003
I think the "conferernce looks stonger" argument is valid. I often will pull for other Big XII teams when they are playing OOC. But there is also a downside to this in the recruiting war. It can be a huge recruiting boost to your rival if they win a national title. I think that's one of the primary reason Texas fans hate to see OU win at anything. If I'm not mistaken OU has something like 35 kids from Texas on the roster. It is all too oftent that top Texas athlete will pick OU over Texas. Most of the time they will cite the reason as being that they want to win championships. Adrian Peterson is a good example. He grew up a huge Texas fan but opted to go to OU instead. In reality I think offered him a larger salary.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:43 pm to luke2003
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It's an us against them mentality. This was seen during the Civil War too (or, if you prefer, War of Northern Aggression). States that weren't dependant on the slave economy threw their hats in with those that were.
Please dear god, get this shite out of here. The Civil War was over 150 years ago, and has nothing to do with SEC Football.
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Arkansas, Tennessee, etc... had nothing to gain in fighting for the South and Georgia, Auburn, Tennessee, Bama fans, etc... have nothing to gain by supporting UF.
Wrong. This year the polls heavily favored SEC teams due to the perception that the SEC was the toughest conference. Later in the year as the Big XII emerged, their conference also began to get poll benefits and recognition.
This post was edited on 1/5/09 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:46 pm to soonerhater
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But there is also a downside to this in the recruiting war.
Kids make their decisions to go to schools based upon many things. I have never heard of a recruit saying they chose a school because of previous championships. They look at coaches, atmosphere, education, teammates, dominance, etc. Just the fact that OU won the conference and made it to the NCG would have a larger impact on recruiting than winning the NCG. Kids know that the potential is there.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:47 pm to soonerhater
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I think the "conferernce looks stonger" argument is valid.
It's the only valid reason. but when the conference team is a recruiting rival (Bama) I dont see the benefit.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:51 pm to luke2003
Don't ask me I will never pull for them pull for them Florida SOB's on the field or court
Posted on 1/5/09 at 4:57 pm to seawolf06
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Kids make their decisions to go to schools based upon many things.
True. But I like to believe that OU lost some future recruits over the '04 USC, '06 Boise St, or '07 WVU embarassments. Maybe not any seniors or even juniors for that matter changed their minds. But it surely swayed some the younger athletes that had not completely formed an opinion of OU until that time.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 5:00 pm to soonerhater
OU is on what, an 0-4 streak in bowl games? If they lose then I can see how the whole streak could sit in some kids' minds. If they're between UT and OU, though, who has been the NCG more recently? Even if they haven't won.
Posted on 1/5/09 at 5:29 pm to seawolf06
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If they're between UT and OU, though, who has been the NCG more recently? Even if they haven't won.
Uhh... Tejas, against USC? Unless you count this year when everybody in the country knows that Tx got screwed by the Big 12? I'm sure Mack and BOOM Muschamp will remind them who won that game this year.
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