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re: Who's Georgia's biggest rival?
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:27 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:27 pm to DawgsLife
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I would have thought LSU? Do you guys not really get fired up about them?
We do, but the only real cultural overlap is South AL and this board, honestly. I don't "hear about it" in real life if we lose to LSU.
So much is dependent on proximity and the stage of the rivalry. For AU in Atlanta, UGA is arguably our #1 because we haven't won a lot recently and deal with UGA more on a daily basis. Of course for the Auburn diaspora and historical reasons, I still put UA higher.
But it unquestionably improved my daily life when Alabama broke UGA's heart (apologies for the reminder), for example.
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Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:37 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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AU was not the true champ in 1983 are either ignorant or have an agenda
So everyone besides a few auburn fans, the auburn football program, the AP poll, the and coaches poll?
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:39 pm to LSUbase13
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view the Georgia-Georgia Tech rivalry as similar to LSU-Tulane. It's there, but mainly for old-timers.
Clemson is a better comparison for your Tulane
Posted on 1/22/18 at 12:52 pm to DawgsLife
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And yet you have been arguing their legitimacy to the claims. Why?
I am not arguing the legitimacy of their claims. Those teams based on what happened on the field were selected champions. You may give more weight to the AP poll or the UPI, but that doesn't make them more valuable. The AP is the press who make their money (in that era) via newspapers sold. They had a financial interest in the story more than finding a legit champ. It is the reason the BCS and CFP exits.
Ironically, in a classic shell game we still don't crown a champ based completely on the performance on the field. The CFP may be better than the BCS but way to much emphasis goes into "finding the best" but then we are forced to use words like you use...whenever someone starts talking about the best 2 teams or 4 teams they always have to use words like "i felt" or "anyone can see" or "it was obvious" a true champion would have predetermined data points to enter into a playoff that crowned the champion. The CFP playoff is also about money like the BCS before it...there is a reason bama got in and while they won the title on the field their participation was based on money. There wasn't data to show they deserved to be in it over OSU or Wisconsin, etc...it certainly wasn't predetermined data. tOSU benefitted from the same branding phenomena last season and simply didn't take advantage like bama.
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I mean, UCF was named National Champions this year, too. Do think anybody takes that seriously. At all? it's silly for any Auburn fans to make arguments for those teams....based upon "somebody" named them a national Champion.
If UCF claims this year...not sure if anyone actually selected them. They'd have a right to it. Of the two teams in question this season they are the only one that beat Auburn when they played them.
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I mean, you have made the argument that Auburn is the better program based on these seasons, that you came close. Do you really want Georgia fans to start saying we came close in some years therefore we are the better program?
I am not claiming that we came close in the years I mentioned. We came close in 1988, 1989, 1994, 2013...those are like the years uga came close in 2007, 2012 or 2017. The years we were selected champions we actually did everything on the field we could do to become champion and rightfully so we were selected by someone champion.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 12:55 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:23 pm to Tigerman97
Auburn has gone full retard in this thread.
Never go full retard.
Never go full retard.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:32 pm to Pettifogger
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So much is dependent on proximity and the stage of the rivalry. For AU in Atlanta, UGA is arguably our #1 because we haven't won a lot recently and deal with UGA more on a daily basis. Of course for the Auburn diaspora and historical reasons, I still put UA higher.
I can see this. I have 10-12 friends who are Auburn fans and some attended Auburn. All great people. I don't give them a hard time and they don't give me a hard time.
I think a lot of animosity comes from people on this board from both sides trolling.
quote:It is what it is.
But it unquestionably improved my daily life when Alabama broke UGA's heart (apologies for the reminder), for example.
We had our chance and let it slip away. Hopefully we will have another shot soon.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:41 pm to Tigerman97
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I am not arguing the legitimacy of their claims.
You just said that anybody who did not recognize the 1983 team as champions are stupid.
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Those teams based on what happened on the field were selected champions. You may give more weight to the AP poll or the UPI, but that doesn't make them more valuable.
They were not chosen by what the football establishment consider the official polls...the final say. The AP and the UPI were the only polls that people gave any weight at all to for many, many years. Either you are being obtuse, or you are too young to remember.
quote:I'm pretty sure that the playoff game settled it on the field.
Ironically, in a classic shell game we still don't crown a champ based completely on the performance on the field.
quote:Ok. As soon as you said this, it is obvious there is no use discussing it any further. If you think UCF had any kind of claim to being the best team in the country then there is simply no reasoning with you.
If UCF claims this year...not sure if anyone actually selected them. They'd have a right to it.
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The years we were selected champions we actually did everything on the field we could do to become champion and rightfully so we were selected by someone champion.
Well they were not selected by any publication or organization that was the consensus to pick a National Champion. In your world if Women's Day Magazine selected Auburn national Champions for 2017, then somebody selected them so they can claim it. Hold on, and I will see if i can find somebody somewhere that named Georgia national Champions in a few more years, because...you know...if somebody named them then they must be Champions.
I guess Butch was right. Tennessee players were Champions of Life, because he said so.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:45 pm to DawgsLife
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You just said that anybody who did not recognize the 1983 team as champions are stupid.
TIFWIW and IMHO, that was just a polite way of calling you stupid. Hope this helps.
Keep it on the fairway for me!
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:45 pm to DawgsLife
Oh, look! Two groups named Alabama the National Champions for 2016! I guess they can claim it!
2016 National Champions-Alabama CM, CCR
ETA
You might want to take a look at 1983. You might be royally ticked off!
2016 National Champions-Alabama CM, CCR
ETA
You might want to take a look at 1983. You might be royally ticked off!
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:47 pm to DawgsLife
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You just said that anybody who did not recognize the 1983 team as champions are stupid.
Please link to where I claimed someone would be stupid.
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They were not chosen by what the football establishment consider the official polls...the final say. The AP and the UPI were the only polls that people gave any weight at all to for many, many years. Either you are being obtuse, or you are too young to remember.
Football establishment...that makes me laugh.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:47 pm to Tigerman97
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Go to the Auburn web site and they say it is 1957 and 2010.
quote:Political? WTF?
Auburn made that decision for a political reason. We know the facts are simple in 1983, 1993, 2004 and 2010 we were selected National Champions in some capacity.
This post was edited on 1/22/18 at 1:49 pm
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:51 pm to DawgsLife
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I'm pretty sure that the playoff game settled it on the field.
So long as the teams invitation to the playoff is subjective we will never have a true champion. Just the selected champions.
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Ok. As soon as you said this, it is obvious there is no use discussing it any further. If you think UCF had any kind of claim to being the best team in the country then there is simply no reasoning with you.
I actually said. I do not believe they were selected. That implies I don't believe they should claim the championship.
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Well they were not selected by any publication or organization that was the consensus to pick a National Champion. In your world if Women's Day Magazine selected Auburn national Champions for 2017, then somebody selected them so they can claim it. Hold on, and I will see if i can find somebody somewhere that named Georgia national Champions in a few more years, because...you know...if somebody named them then they must be Champions.
There is no publication or organization that was consensus to pick a National Champion until the BCS...that is factual. The NCAA history books make that clear. The problem you'll have with looking for someone to claim uga 2017 champs is similar to Auburn's 2004 claim...the season began with certain rules by those rules you lost and awarded bama the claim. It isn't as if you were a Power 5 team that went undefeated won its bowl game and didn't get to play in the playoffs. That team if they ever exists will have a claim "if" someone selects them champion.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:52 pm to Tigerman97
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Please link to where I claimed someone would be stupid.
People who try to say AU was not the true champ in 1983 are either ignorant or have an agenda.
I was going by memory. You said ignorant.
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Football establishment...that makes me laugh.
How old are you? I am genuinely curious.
Are you telling me you are unaware that since the 70's the AP and UPI polls were considered gospel for picking the National Champions? The AP got more weight, but when picking the champion they rarely differed.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:52 pm to RT1941
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Political?
If you can't see the politics of CFB...then stay out of the discussion. This is for adults.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:55 pm to Tigerman97
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So long as the teams invitation to the playoff is subjective we will never have a true champion. Just the selected champions.
How can it not be somewhat subjective? You have to have rankings. How else are you going to choose who goes to the playoffs?
I am not sure if you are just trolling now, or if you really don't understand that there is no way it cannot be subjective unless every team plays every other team.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:57 pm to jangalang
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TIFWIW and IMHO, that was just a polite way of calling you stupid. Hope this helps.
Keep it on the fairway for me!
Then let me spell it out for you. Neither of the two major polls named Auburn the National Champions. Not the AP. Not the UPI.
I hope I hit it straight down the fairway for you, because if you did not understand that, you were the stupid on. Your own school does not recognize the team as Champions, bu jangalang and his sidekick does, so in your mind it is settled.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:58 pm to Tigerman97
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If you can't see the politics of CFB...then stay out of the discussion. This is for adults.
If only you could explain why, but you haven't prove you can
Posted on 1/22/18 at 1:59 pm to DawgsLife
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People who try to say AU was not the true champ in 1983 are either ignorant or have an agenda.
I was going by memory. You said ignorant.
Please give the proper context. The one statement you linked where I didn't call someone stupid is linked to a statement about looking at Miami, Nebraska and Auburn's records blindly without the ability for human brand bias and it would be impossible not to award Auburn that championships. That isn't my thought or opinion its been argued by many for a long time. In the beauty contest awarding champions is in CFB Miami had the least to argue other than the beautiful story and narrative Howard had created in Miami and a town flush with cash to profit on if they were successful.
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How old are you? I am genuinely curious.
I am in my 40's, I can tell you are young or uninformed because when this all started you had never heard of the fact that titles were awarded by selectors. Just because the AP and UPI had the power to rise to the forefront as selectors doesn't mean the system wasn't broken. The history of the AP and UPI is littered with champions who don't deserve it but won them because the picking of champions wasn't about what happened on the field as much as what sold newspapers. Our good friends to west have a few legit claims on titles where they uncharacteristically found themselves on the short end of the money stick for the papers. IMO it is why they claim a couple of titles that are suspect...it keeps the balance.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:00 pm to meansonny
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Auburn has gone full retard in this thread.
Never go full retard.
It is shocking how their own school does not recognize a ream as Champions, but because they want them to be champions they think the team should be champions.
No credible ranking system named them National Champions in 1983, but two Auburn fans know better.
Posted on 1/22/18 at 2:02 pm to DawgsLife
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How can it not be somewhat subjective? You have to have rankings. How else are you going to choose who goes to the playoffs?
There are several ways to prevent it from being subjective, but it would require small areas of power to concede some power. The SEC included. I have no doubt it will never happen. Watch the FCS playoff...nobody wants to see some 7 win team get hot and run the table, but they at least earned the right to be in the playoff via a predetermined data point (conference title). Then beat the teams they played. Nobody felt like or sensed or had a gut feeling they were good enough. They just set the way you got it, let teams earn it and play the playoff games and let the chips fall where they may.
Hint: Think 16 team conferences.
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