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Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:15 pm to TupeloReb
Frank Broyles
Clyde Scott
Darren McFadden
Matt Jones
Clyde Scott
Darren McFadden
Matt Jones
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:21 pm to Korin
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The guy that got fired started the turnaround?
ok, you just don't understand the terrible stretch that LSU suffered immediately before Dinardo. Go back and look at the records (especially in light of LSU's historical success) and then come back to the discussion.
You'll probably have a harder time locating the other pertinent information. Rebuilding recruiting relationships and landing the excellent in state players that were leaving en masse for places like Tennessee and FSU before Dinardo arrived. Landing Kevin Faulk was an enormous moment in modern LSU history.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:32 pm to molsusports
So then Shula should get the credit for Saban's success at Alabama in 08 and 09?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:42 pm to Korin
Neyland
Manning
Al Wilson
Johnny Majors
Manning
Al Wilson
Johnny Majors
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:46 pm to Korin
Walker
Dooley
Richt
Sinkwich (Tempted to put Pollack, but you can't argue with a NC and a Heisman, 1942 or not)
Dooley
Richt
Sinkwich (Tempted to put Pollack, but you can't argue with a NC and a Heisman, 1942 or not)
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:49 pm to Korin
Really? That's your thoughtful response? You devolve an explanation of a program's recent history to a non sequitor related to Saban at another school?
If Alabama (like LSU before Dinardo) had gone through a period of time in which they were essentially Vanderbilt - by which I mean they were unable to keep their in state talent and maxed out at 5 wins for the better part of a decade... and then they hired a new coach who brought in truly elite talent for the first time in years then the comparison would be a good one.
I don't know why I even bother with you anyway. No one ever credits Dinardo with Saban's LSU BCS NC and Shula wasn't responsible for Saban's first Alabama BCS NC. You just like building stupid straw men instead of considering more than one point of view.
LSU isn't South Carolina. They have a real history of winning including a lot of SEC Championships and NCs with Saban not at the helm. Leaving him off the list is only common sense - it would be more controversial to put him on the list instead of the coaches who accomplished as much (Dietzel) or more (Miles).
If Alabama (like LSU before Dinardo) had gone through a period of time in which they were essentially Vanderbilt - by which I mean they were unable to keep their in state talent and maxed out at 5 wins for the better part of a decade... and then they hired a new coach who brought in truly elite talent for the first time in years then the comparison would be a good one.
I don't know why I even bother with you anyway. No one ever credits Dinardo with Saban's LSU BCS NC and Shula wasn't responsible for Saban's first Alabama BCS NC. You just like building stupid straw men instead of considering more than one point of view.
LSU isn't South Carolina. They have a real history of winning including a lot of SEC Championships and NCs with Saban not at the helm. Leaving him off the list is only common sense - it would be more controversial to put him on the list instead of the coaches who accomplished as much (Dietzel) or more (Miles).
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:50 pm to TupeloReb
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Archie Manning
Johnny Vaught
Eli Manning
Patrick Willis
Posted on 2/12/14 at 6:53 pm to molsusports
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Really? That's your thoughtful response? You devolve an explanation of a program's recent history to a non sequitor related to Saban at another school?
If Alabama (like LSU before Dinardo) had gone through a period of time in which they were essentially Vanderbilt - by which I mean they were unable to keep their in state talent and maxed out at 5 wins for the better part of a decade... and then they hired a new coach who brought in truly elite talent for the first time in years then the comparison would be a good one.
I don't know why I even bother with you anyway. No one ever credits Dinardo with Saban's LSU BCS NC and Shula wasn't responsible for Saban's first Alabama BCS NC. You just like building stupid straw men instead of considering more than one point of view.
LSU isn't South Carolina. They have a real history of winning including a lot of SEC Championships and NCs with Saban not at the helm. Leaving him off the list is only common sense - it would be more controversial to put him on the list instead of the coaches who accomplished as much (Dietzel) or more (Miles).
Because you aren't being honest with why y'all wouldn't include Saban. We both know why.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:03 pm to Korin
you're barking up the wrong tree probably because you are young and grew up at a time when Florida was great and LSU was terrible.
Saban at LSU - 2 seasons of 10 plus wins, two 8 win seasons, one 9 win season
Miles at LSU - 7 seasons of 10 plus wins, one 8 win season, one 9 win season
The competition was not remotely the same either. Miles at LSU has failed to win the SEC with excellent teams when he was edged out by teams that won NCs (until this year when Auburn lost to FSU). Saban at LSU was fortunate to coach at a time when the west was a lot weaker and Florida had begun to fade. I'm not putting any of LSU's coaches on their Mount Rushmore but if I did the better argument would be for either the guy (Dietzel) who won the first nationally recognized NC or the guy (Miles) who has done a lot more for the program.
Has Saban (at Alabama) been better than Miles (at LSU) since Saban returned to college? Yes, but you can't put him on LSU's Mount Rushmore for what he's done since arriving at Alabama - that just doesn't make any sense.
Saban at LSU - 2 seasons of 10 plus wins, two 8 win seasons, one 9 win season
Miles at LSU - 7 seasons of 10 plus wins, one 8 win season, one 9 win season
The competition was not remotely the same either. Miles at LSU has failed to win the SEC with excellent teams when he was edged out by teams that won NCs (until this year when Auburn lost to FSU). Saban at LSU was fortunate to coach at a time when the west was a lot weaker and Florida had begun to fade. I'm not putting any of LSU's coaches on their Mount Rushmore but if I did the better argument would be for either the guy (Dietzel) who won the first nationally recognized NC or the guy (Miles) who has done a lot more for the program.
Has Saban (at Alabama) been better than Miles (at LSU) since Saban returned to college? Yes, but you can't put him on LSU's Mount Rushmore for what he's done since arriving at Alabama - that just doesn't make any sense.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:16 pm to molsusports
Saban took over coming off of the worst decade in the history of your program. He won more there in his 5 years at LSU than Miles did in hist first 5 years.
Stop beating around the bush though, we both know why you wouldn't include Saban.
Stop beating around the bush though, we both know why you wouldn't include Saban.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:19 pm to TupeloReb
Florida
Spurrier
Foley
Wuerffel
Tebow
Replace Foley with Emmitt if administration isn't allowed
Spurrier
Foley
Wuerffel
Tebow
Replace Foley with Emmitt if administration isn't allowed
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Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:23 pm to Korin
Saban is a great coach and he did a lot for LSU's program. He simply did not accomplish enough at LSU to be put on their "mount rushmore" of most accomplished people.
FWIW - the entirety of your post was wrong. Saban won 48 games in his first five years at LSU, Miles won 51 games in his first five years and another 44 games in his sixth thru ninth seasons. Put another way Saban averaged 9.6 wins a season in his time at LSU and Miles has averaged 10.6 wins a season at LSU against more difficult competition.
FWIW - the entirety of your post was wrong. Saban won 48 games in his first five years at LSU, Miles won 51 games in his first five years and another 44 games in his sixth thru ninth seasons. Put another way Saban averaged 9.6 wins a season in his time at LSU and Miles has averaged 10.6 wins a season at LSU against more difficult competition.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:31 pm to molsusports
Saban @ LSU: 1 BCS title, 2 SEC titles, 2 BCS bowl wins
first 5 years for Miles @ LSU: 1 BCS title, 1 SEC title, 2 BCS bowl wins
first 5 years for Miles @ LSU: 1 BCS title, 1 SEC title, 2 BCS bowl wins
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:32 pm to TupeloReb
Tebow, wuerffel, spurrier, leak, Wilber Marshall/
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:37 pm to 2Cocky
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Ray Tanner (B2B national titles and current AD)
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Mt. Rushmore of the history of your favorite CFB team?
Do you know what the FB in CFB stands for chief?
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:40 pm to WG_Dawg
Well in that case, throw Billy Donovan on ours.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 7:42 pm to Korin
Spurrier
George Rogers
Sterling Sharpe
4th one's harder, I guess Connor Shaw should have his name thrown in.
George Rogers
Sterling Sharpe
4th one's harder, I guess Connor Shaw should have his name thrown in.
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:00 pm to Korin
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Saban @ LSU: 1 BCS title, 2 SEC titles, 2 BCS bowl wins
first 5 years for Miles @ LSU: 1 BCS title, 1 SEC title, 2 BCS bowl wins
First step to winning a NC is (unless you are Bama) winning the SEC.
SEC teams other than LSU to win a BCS National Championship while Saban was at LSU - ZERO!
SEC teams other than LSU to win a BCS National Championship while Miles has been at LSU - SIX!
You've got to be honest about this. The competition is fundamentally different. Saban won one of his two SEC Championships going 5-3 in a weak SEC West. That 2001 team was a very nice team by the end of the year but their season would have been over at the end of October in the present SEC.
This post was edited on 2/12/14 at 8:03 pm
Posted on 2/12/14 at 8:07 pm to CayceCock13
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Spurrier
Total boss to be on 2. Would be a lock for a "Smack Talk" Rushmore too.
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