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Posted on 7/21/13 at 3:47 pm to Adam Banks
Wow....Adam. Reading is fundamental. Where did he say that? All he said is that he thought your front seven would not be as good as Alabama's or Florida's last year. You know....MOST analysts thought they we the two best in the nation? Where did you get him saying Georgia's would be better?
Posted on 7/21/13 at 3:48 pm to MenloDawg
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I've already said that I expected the LSU D to reload twice in this thread...I just don't expect them completely shut down Gurley, Marshall, and the entire group of upper classmen OL, TE, and FB that return. That would be unreal
Well last year we held the best RB (lattimore) in the SEC to 34 yards, and the SEC leading rusher-Manziel to 27 yards.
Given how much faith you put into your front 7 making a leap I dont think its absurd to think we will maintain our usual place with a defensive front similar to those two.
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Posted on 7/21/13 at 3:50 pm to DawgsLife
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Where did you get him saying Georgia's would be better?
He continually stated how much better the replacements would be in the run defense which was 12th in the SEC he said that yall would take a step back in the passing game but the implication was overall the UGA defense would improve. I would hope so or I expect a repeat of 2008 looming.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 3:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Maintaining a top program is infinitely more difficult than building one. Every single year you have new schools with new hotshot coaches and players looking to knock you off your pedestal. And on top of that if your Les Miles you have to deal with the "yeah but Saban nonsense from the outside as well as idiots in your own fanbase.
I'm not at all trying to discount anything Saban did, but to act like everything has been peaches and cream for Les Miles is just ignorant. For many he get's none of the credit for the wins and all of the blame for the losses.
Nice post. I know that maintaining success is hard, but it also takes time to build a successful program. Let's assume Miles had inherited pre-Saban LSU. Would you expect him to have the same record that he has now?
I don't think Les Miles has it easy. I'd rather not compare Saban and Miles' LSU records considering Saban is a better coach today and had to rebuild a fallen LSU program. I'd like to see Saban's record after a few more years; it should be better than Miles'.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 3:55 pm to cas4t
Obviously, as an SEC East fan that's not from UF, I wouldn't be on this site if I didn't respect LSU and if they weren't always my team from the West.
It just genuinely feels like y'all are about to hit the stretch that Richt and UGA hit from 2006-2010. Players were taking plays off and not showing up for workouts. The team was coming out flat in some games when they weren't in the years past. We were losing consistently to our biggest rival while they were winning multiple MNCs. We were holding onto one season (2007) yet ignoring the signs around us. We were defending Richt even though there was a better coach within the division. We had multiple years of QB issues. 2006 (Tereshinski/Stafford's freshman year), 2009 (Joe Cox), 2010 (Aaron Murray's freshman year).
The biggest difference? LSU has John Chavis while Richt hit that rut with Willie Martinez. I firmly believe that was the best coordinator hire in the conference over the last few years.
It just genuinely feels like y'all are about to hit the stretch that Richt and UGA hit from 2006-2010. Players were taking plays off and not showing up for workouts. The team was coming out flat in some games when they weren't in the years past. We were losing consistently to our biggest rival while they were winning multiple MNCs. We were holding onto one season (2007) yet ignoring the signs around us. We were defending Richt even though there was a better coach within the division. We had multiple years of QB issues. 2006 (Tereshinski/Stafford's freshman year), 2009 (Joe Cox), 2010 (Aaron Murray's freshman year).
The biggest difference? LSU has John Chavis while Richt hit that rut with Willie Martinez. I firmly believe that was the best coordinator hire in the conference over the last few years.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 3:56 pm to Gardevoir
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Would you expect him to have the same record that he has now?
I mean it's hard to say for sure but I do think he would have done close to what Saban did.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 3:56 pm to 167back
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Of LSU's top 15 tacklers on the '12 defense EIGHT return for '13. That's over 50%. Return a LB with 100+ tackles.
LSU return All SEC preseason award winners at all three levels of it's "D".
How many return in uga's top 15 tacklers from '12? How many preseason all SEC picks?
Keep it up.
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bama's front seven was nasty last year but, LSU was able to move the ball on them. Most yards ever given up by a saban coached bama "D" in conference. Even more than that wonderful uga "O". Tigers had more rush yards and even MORE passing yards VS the tide than what uga and murray did in SECCG.
Hmm, McCarron was injured in the previous game which affected his passing. Might I add that LSU held the ball for 2/3 of the ball game. I'd hope you could have success when the opposing defense is kept on the field for 40 minutes. I'm not taking anything away from Mettenberger that day though. Everything was clicking. Georgia's offense scored 3 touchdowns against Alabama and ran out of time before they had the opportunity to potentially score a 4th. Alabama's offense did not get dominated either. They played very well in the second half.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 3:58 pm to Adam Banks
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He continually stated how much better the replacements would be in the run defense...but the implication was overall the UGA defense would improve
And you gathered this from me stating that I thought we'd finish better than 12th against the run?
Posted on 7/21/13 at 4:01 pm to MenloDawg
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And you gathered this from me stating that I thought we'd finish better than 12th against the run?
I gathered it by you downplaying the abilities of the best defensive player you've had since David Pollack and then again with the second best defensive player since pollack.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 4:02 pm to MenloDawg
You also said this will be LSU's worst defense since '08.
The LSU '13 defense will be better than '09, '10 and '12.
We won't have to completely shut down the uga "O". Tigers will score mid to upper 20's at least.
In "CHIEF we trust". Chavis will have a plan.
The LSU '13 defense will be better than '09, '10 and '12.
We won't have to completely shut down the uga "O". Tigers will score mid to upper 20's at least.
In "CHIEF we trust". Chavis will have a plan.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 4:02 pm to gatorhata9
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I can cherry pick common games if you like. Auburn, Florida, Alabama, Ole Miss. Except for Alabama, UGA outperformed LSU against common opponents.
Against USC and Bama, LSU OUT PERFORMED this ALLTIME great UGA offense. Against UF , UGA had 20 more yards. So how does that sound like a great UGA offense?in 2/3 games against the top defenses, that shitty LSU offense ( that returns everyone) did better than this all time great UGA offense.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 4:05 pm to DawgsLife
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COUNT "EM, SEVEN with less than 200 yards passing. That's is NOT good.
Your bias is showing. That's GREAT - if they win.
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That COULD be because the coaching staff did not allow him to throw more....but if they did not, you have to ask yourself, "Why didn't they allow him to throw more?"
Maybe because he didn't NEED to throw more.
Man, you're starting to sound like a B12er with the passing game shite. You simply DON'T THROW THE BALL if you don't have to.
This is the SEC, remember?
There's nothing wrong with winning games without passing the ball.
"Three things can happen when you throw the ball, and two of them are bad." Who said that again...?
(Hint, a HOF coach at UT.)
Posted on 7/21/13 at 4:05 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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#2 We return 34 of 44 on the 2 deep #3 We return more starters than Texas A&M and the same as Alabama #4 We played the 2nd most freshmen the country last season
Exactly. You can also add in that in 2011, most of the starters, on defense, were sophomores and were expected to suck compared to 2010.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 4:05 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Against USC and Bama, LSU OUT PERFORMED this ALLTIME great UGA offense. Against UF , UGA had 20 more yards. So how does that sound like a great UGA offense?in 2/3 games against the top defenses, that shitty LSU offense ( that returns everyone) did better than this all time great UGA offense.
What about Auburn and Ole Miss? Those were common opponents. Oh, and you also fail to mention that we also beat Florida.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 4:06 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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Against USC and Bama, LSU OUT PERFORMED this ALLTIME great UGA offense. Against UF , UGA had 20 more yards. So how does that sound like a great UGA offense?in 2/3 games against the top defenses, that shitty LSU offense ( that returns everyone) did better than this all time great UGA offense.
Now now Rickdaddy. You cant downplay their excitement about this season. We all know what happened last time they returned a big time QB RB and WR. With their track record+Murrays record against top 10 opponents I dont know what the SEC will do.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 4:07 pm to Adam Banks
So Alabama didn't run right at Jarvis Jones just like LSU ran right at Clowney? That's what you do to a great pass rusher because that's not they're specialty and that's how you beat them.
And Ogletree wasn't a converted safety that was slightly small for an ILB in a 3-4?
Don't get me wrong, these were two of my favorite UGA defensive players of all time, but plugging the A gap or taking on a pulling guard are not the reasons for either of them being drafted in the first round.
And Ogletree wasn't a converted safety that was slightly small for an ILB in a 3-4?
Don't get me wrong, these were two of my favorite UGA defensive players of all time, but plugging the A gap or taking on a pulling guard are not the reasons for either of them being drafted in the first round.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 4:07 pm to 167back
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You also said this will be LSU's worst defense since '08.
Go back and reread that post
Posted on 7/21/13 at 4:09 pm to gatorhata9
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What about Auburn and Ole Miss? Those were common opponents. Oh, and you also fail to mention that we also beat Florida.
I'm not claiming LSU's offense was good. We sucked. Yet playing against good defenses, we outperformed this GREAT OFFENSE you UGA posters claim to have. I'm not saying LSU's offense was good. Just pointing out that UGA wasn't some great and potent offense. USC held you scoreless until the very end and held this rb tandem to 76 yards total. I'm just saying hold off on calling this UGA offense great, because your offense hasn't proved to be great and actually failed against top defenses last year.
Posted on 7/21/13 at 4:15 pm to MenloDawg
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MenloDawg
So do you or do you not believe UGAs front 7 will be significantly better vs the run?
If so, why do you believe LSU's will be worse when everything you say can be applied to LSU's except LSU is already in a better position losing less significant players?
I guess its that same wishing and hoping that blinds you to the fact that Mett is a decent SEC qb who wil be able to take advantages of the self proclaimed drop off in pass defense.
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