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Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:14 pm to Tigah32
Judging from the people who got snubbed in OP's list...He obviously thinks Ingram didn't deserve it..Why didn't you just make a thread called Ingram didn't deserve the Heisman?!?!
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:17 pm to ohiovol
Crouch's floor was lower, but Ingram had much more fanfare.
His hype was disproportionate to his actual talent. You have to remember that he's Bama's only Heisman trophy winner, so that wasn't exactly unexpected.
His hype was disproportionate to his actual talent. You have to remember that he's Bama's only Heisman trophy winner, so that wasn't exactly unexpected.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:18 pm to Shoat Nuff
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This has been the trend unfortunately, but it's intended to be an individual award. I know this will be written off as homerism, but Troy Smith over McFadden deserves to be in the conversation about biggest heisman snubs.
It's better for the Heisman to go to an excellent player on an average team, than an average player on an excellent team.
McFadden was written off as a candidate that year because he was a sophomore. Lots of people, including voters, saying "he might be better than Smith, but you can't give it to a sophomore."
Next year, media darling Tebow and same people are saying "You can't not give it to him just because he's a sophomore!"
FWIW, Tebow absolutely deserved that award over McFadden as a sophomore, but McFadden also deserved it as a sophomore.
That's what hurt Grossman in 01 too, he was a true sophomore.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:20 pm to Alahunter
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Why are you highlighting only a portion of the stats? You wanna go the Doak Walker route?
Ingram was a better player. Period. How many fumbles did Gerhart lose? Ingram lost none.
And the Stanford Oline was a joke? Gimme a break. Go back and look who was drafted off that line.
Gerhart also got to play Pac defenses. Ingram tore us a new a-hole in Atlanta.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:20 pm to TTsTowel
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10 more pages that will consist of Auburn fans laughing at Alahunter for even mentioning Ingram in the same breath as Bo Jackson.
I've seen you spout off the same line before. So just out of curiosity, how many of Bo's collegiate games did you watch?
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:20 pm to Mullen3:16
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Crouch's floor was lower, but Ingram had much more fanfare.
His hype was disproportionate to his actual talent. You have to remember that he's Bama's only Heisman trophy winner, so that wasn't exactly unexpected.
Crouch has less touchdown passes than freaking Brock Berlin, who was Rex Grossman's backup at the time.
This post was edited on 7/25/12 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:21 pm to Alahunter
So you think Ingrams THREE receiving TDs gave him the nod? Hmm..
Also, TG scoring a vast majority of his TDs on goal line?
A) that's completely irrelevant
B) he still rushed for over 1800 yards.
And media biased towards Bama? That's not what I said. I said they were about to win the NC so it gave him a leg up.
And splitting carries with Richardson? That is no different than your initial argument that TG had Luck on his team. To put up the numbers he did with a future number one overall pick QB on the same team is no different than Ingram splitting carries with TR on the same team. The nod went to Ingram because Bama was ROLLING.
Also, TG scoring a vast majority of his TDs on goal line?
A) that's completely irrelevant
B) he still rushed for over 1800 yards.
And media biased towards Bama? That's not what I said. I said they were about to win the NC so it gave him a leg up.
And splitting carries with Richardson? That is no different than your initial argument that TG had Luck on his team. To put up the numbers he did with a future number one overall pick QB on the same team is no different than Ingram splitting carries with TR on the same team. The nod went to Ingram because Bama was ROLLING.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:22 pm to crimsonsaint
quote:I've seen quite a few re-runs.
I've seen you spout off the same line before. So just out of curiosity, how many of Bo's collegiate games did you watch?
Does me not being alive while he dominated somehow take away from his greatness, and make Mark Ingram better? There's a reason only a couple of Alabama fans consider Ingram better than Bo. Meanwhile, the rest of the world laughs and mocks those few people.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:23 pm to Alahunter
quote:You think defenses focused on Ingram more than Gerhart? Also who was Gerharts back up I'm sure he was better than TR too.
Bama was a running team first, so he was zeroed in on and still did better.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:24 pm to Alahunter
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Bama was a running team first, so he was zeroed in on and still did better.
You don't think Gerhart was zeroed in on?
Eta: tigah32 beat me to it
This post was edited on 7/25/12 at 1:25 pm
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:24 pm to Jerry the Clown
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Tommie Frazier
frick, I forgot all about him.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:27 pm to thatdude1985
quote:Mccoy was the Bradford year. Suh was one of the most dominant DT's Im the history of the sport. Gerhart had 10 more rushing TD's than Ingram with less production at QB, a worse back up, a lesser offensive line and had to carry that team much more than Ingram.
Judging from the people who got snubbed in OP's list
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thatdude1985
Go cry somewhere else.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:31 pm to Tigah32
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Go cry somewhere else.
How the frick am I crying? You made a dumb list, 3 of which got snubbed in the same year? What's your real motive douche?
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:35 pm to cas4t
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So you think Ingrams THREE receiving TDs gave him the nod? Hmm..
Also, TG scoring a vast majority of his TDs on goal line?
A) that's completely irrelevant
B) he still rushed for over 1800 yards.
And media biased towards Bama? That's not what I said. I said they were about to win the NC so it gave him a leg up.
And splitting carries with Richardson? That is no different than your initial argument that TG had Luck on his team. To put up the numbers he did with a future number one overall pick QB on the same team is no different than Ingram splitting carries with TR on the same team. The nod went to Ingram because Bama was ROLLING.
Spot on. Alahunter's argument sucks
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:39 pm to TTsTowel
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Does me not being alive while he dominated somehow take away from his greatness, and make Mark Ingram better?
It just makes you look like a tool when you state that the two shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath. They played in completely different eras. Different offensive and defensive schemes. And Bo never sat on the sideline during his Heisman year watching Trent Richardson rush for 751 yards and 8 touchdowns.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:39 pm to thatdude1985
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thatdude1985
I hope someone tries to push to have you banned. I'm on my phone at work so I can't attach all the links to your shitty comments and flaming posts, but I'm sure, at some point, someone will.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:40 pm to AUtigerNOLA
I think Gerhart should have won that year, but Ingram winning was just as deserved. Only someone being a dickhead would say Ingram wasn't worthy of the Heisman.
Posted on 7/25/12 at 1:40 pm to sugatowng
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