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re: Which is the better job? (Miss St./Ole Miss)

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Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:35 am to
I know it's futile at this point but LINK?
Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:36 am to
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Actually Southern Miss tried first but had a student denied and arrested on a false charge.


Link? I'd like to read about this.

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Ole Miss was the first to integrate because it was the top college in the state in the time


True

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Merideth had the full backing of the NAACP (Due to his involvement in it) and also was able to get the federal government and Pres. Kennedy involved.


Which was exactly the point. Merideth knew that the only way he would get Ole Miss to integrate was to get the feds involvement in the issue. It was astute and I applaud his bravery in that regard.
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:36 am to
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I have just stated what I know from what I learned in Mississippi History and the Civil Rights class I took in college.




Let me guess......at MSU?



And did your civil rights class mention that everyone in the south was racist as frick back in the 60's? Including MSU?
Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:36 am to
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These two don't belong in the same sentence.


You are the People's University, no?
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:36 am to
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Jesus. Tapdancing. Christ. You've got to be kidding me.


After Merideth left OM there wasn't another AA student to enroll at OM until 1965, the same year State and USM integrated as well as Mississippi High Schools (on a small scale basis)
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:37 am to
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Which was exactly the point. Merideth knew that the only way he would get Ole Miss to integrate was to get the feds involvement in the issue. It was astute and I applaud his bravery in that regard.




But with MSU being so "un-racist" in the 60's like Al's alluding to, why didn't they integrate? Surely some AA's didn't want to go to Alcorn.
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:38 am to
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Babe McCarthy said that he would have loved to have been able to recruit black athletes just like Bear Bryant.


That doesn't mean that the students, faculty, and alumni agreed with him as well. It wasn't just "politics" that kept segregation alive. It was a longstanding social institution supported by politicians and common folk alike.
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:38 am to
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After Merideth left OM there wasn't another AA student to enroll at OM until 1965, the same year State and USM integrated as well as Mississippi High Schools (on a small scale basis)



So why didn't MSU integrate before Ole Miss?
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:39 am to
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And did your civil rights class mention that everyone in the south was racist as frick back in the 60's? Including MSU?


Were there a lot of Racist people? YES
I think its crazy for you to say EVERYBODY was. My Gradmother lived during this time period and said that you were either an outspoken supporter of segregation or a low spoken supporter of segregation. If a white person in Mississippi tried to speak up for any black person or Civil Rights they would jeopordize their and their family's reputation. Its just how things were.

Im glad things have changed.
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:39 am to
BECAUSE YOU IZ RACIST RATTLERATTLERATTLERATTLE
Posted by DCRebel
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:40 am to
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But with MSU being so "un-racist" in the 60's like Al's alluding to, why didn't they integrate? Surely some AA's didn't want to go to Alcorn.


If we were scaring minorities off, and State was so welcoming of them, you'd think it a no-brainer to recruit and admit them just to spite us.
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:40 am to
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So why didn't MSU integrate before Ole Miss?


Because the fedreal gov't didn't get involed with any student who tried to attend State b/c the same classes and majors were offered at Alcorn.

Ole Miss was the only Law School in the State. Thus the NAACP had a justifiable reason to get the fedreal govt to get involved as a result of Brown v. Board
Posted by POCKET
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:40 am to
So you admit that at most it is a push? As you say after Meredith, we started integrating at the same time? So according to your logic state is just as racist
Posted by sharpSee
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:41 am to
So, Rebs are arguing that Miss St is nationally perceived to be as racist as OM?

Because, I swear we were talking about perception and how things are viewed on a national scale in the eyes of coaches.
Posted by pankReb
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:42 am to
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Were there a lot of Racist people? YES
I think its crazy for you to say EVERYBODY was. My Gradmother lived during this time period and said that you were either an outspoken supporter of segregation or a low spoken supporter of segregation. If a white person in Mississippi tried to speak up for any black person or Civil Rights they would jeopordize their and their family's reputation. Its just how things were.




Cool.......now why do you hold Ole Miss and MSU to different perceptions from that era?




It's like you're trying to say all of the racists in Mississippi went to Ole Miss and everyone at MSU stood out front giving olive branches to minorities.





You can be a blind homer all you want(which we all know that you are), but you're being mental if you think MSU wasn't equally as racist as Ole Miss back then.






















and you still can't answer the question of why MSU didn't integrate before Ole Miss.
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:42 am to
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Actually Southern Miss tried first but had a student denied and arrested on a false charge.


Clyde Kennard, tried to integrate USM multiple times in the 50's

LINK
Posted by Diamondawg
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:42 am to
How many of you asshats witnessed what went on in the 60s?
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:42 am to
No we are trying to correct common misperceptions perpetuated by misinformed posters.
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:43 am to
None
Posted by Al Bundy Bulldog
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Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:44 am to
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So, Rebs are arguing that Miss St is nationally perceived to be as racist as OM?


Pretty Much

Im just trying to give them a history lesson.
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