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Posted on 9/17/20 at 8:17 pm to BHMKyle
The VOLS are no longer a member. It's the Big 5
Posted on 9/17/20 at 8:18 pm to 3down10
Same here
Posted on 9/17/20 at 9:07 pm to BHMKyle
Are you going by claimed national titles?
Posted on 9/17/20 at 9:10 pm to BHMKyle
Can't be because B6 was used to determine divisions & perm. c-d rivals for 1992.
This post was edited on 9/20/20 at 6:43 am
Posted on 9/17/20 at 9:13 pm to BHMKyle
The Big Six is not a ranking, it is a shorthand way of referring to the six teams who have won an SEC championship in the divisional era.
Posted on 9/17/20 at 9:23 pm to BHMKyle
The Big Six is a reference to the six schools who have won or shared every SEC football title since 1964. Kentucky got half a title in 1976, and other than that the last 56 conference titles have been won by one of the Big Six. After about 30 years of that happening it was hard not to notice that six schools had separated from the others.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:17 am to Jebadeb
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Cool. I'd like to see how this al shakes out decade to decade.
Here were the rankings at the end of each decade:
1939:
1. Alabama (.726); 2. Tennessee (.650); 3. LSU (.554); 4. Tulane (.496); 5. Georgia Tech (.285); 6. Auburn (.218); 7. Vanderbilt (.205); 8. Georgia (.182)
1949:
1. Tennessee (.700); 2. Alabama (.623); 3. Georgia (.468); 4. Georgia Tech (.464); 5. LSU (.457); 6. Tulane (.378); 7. Miss St. (.292); 8. Ole Miss (.276)
1959:
1. Tennessee (.886); 2. LSU (.628); 3. Georgia Tech (.549); 4. Alabama (.545); 5. Auburn (.512); 6. Ole Miss (.473); 7. Georgia (.424); 8. Tulane (.282)
1969:
1. Alabama (.867); 2. Tennessee (.657); 3. Ole Miss (.539); 4. LSU (.532); 5. Georgia (.407); 6. Auburn (.392); 7. Florida (.216); 8. Miss St. (.194)
1979:
1. Alabama (.886); 2. Tennessee (.510); 3. LSU (.420); 4. Ole Miss (.378); 5. Georgia (.367); 6. Auburn (.336); 7. Florida (.206); Kentucky (.195)
1989:
1. Alabama (.887); 2. Tennessee (.499); 3. Georgia (.494); 5. LSU (.441); 6. Auburn (.427); 6. Ole Miss (.335); 7. Florida (.243); 8. Kentucky (.189)
1999:
1. Alabama (.864); 2. Tennessee (.659); 3. Florida (.472); 4. Georgia (.430); 5. Auburn (.423); 6. LSU (.415); 7. Ole Miss (.320); 8. Arkansas (.294)
2009:
1. Alabama (.807); 2. Tennessee (.588); 3. Florida (.566); 4. LSU (.543); 5. Georgia (.487); 6. Auburn (.417); 7. Ole Miss (.315); 8. Arkansas (.280)
2019:
1. Alabama (.885); 2. LSU (.537); 3. Georgia (.468); 4. Florida (.466); 5. Tennessee (.460); 6. Auburn (.431); 7. Texas A&M (.306); 8. Ole Miss (.289)
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:20 am to Oklahomey
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Tennessee still in good shape despite no SEC titles since 1998.
With 13 SEC Championships, it will be hard for Tennessee to ever drop lower than #6. They are tied with Georgia for the second most SEC Titles with 13. LSU has 12. Auburn and Florida each have 8.
When you have 13 SEC Titles and 2 National Titles on your resume, it makes it virtually impossible to fall much lower than #6. Would take a gigantic effort from A&M to ever surpass Tennessee.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:29 am to jlovel7
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Could you post LSU’s full ranking like you did for ole miss? I’d be interested to see where they’ve stood over the years mathematically. Especially because I wasn’t around back then to just remember.
Sure.
When things were getting started in the 1930s, LSU bounced around between #1 and #4. LSU was #1 after the 1936 season. The only year in SEC history that neither Alabama or Tennessee hold the top spot.
From 1939-1943, LSU was #3.... 1944-45 they were #4
From 1948-1954, LSU fell back to #5... 1955-1956 they fell back to #6.... and they hit the program low in 1957 at #8 in the league.
Following the 1958 National Title, LSU catapulted from #8 up to #2 where it sat through 1960.
From 1961-63 they were #3
From 1964-69 they were #4
From 1970-79 they were #3
From 1980-92 they were #4
From 1993-95 they were #5
From 1996-2000 they were #6
With Saban's return, they moved to #5 in 2001-02. They rose to #3 in 2003 and then bounced back-and-forth between #3 and #4 from 2003-2010.
In 2011, LSU moved up to #2 where it has been ranked ever since.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 8:45 am
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:33 am to diddlydawg7
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Massive drop off. Poor Aggy
The problem that Texas A&M has (as well as all the expansion teams) is that they came in late and haven't had the same opportunity to rack up SEC Championships.
Ole Miss has 5 SEC Titles. Even Kentucky has 2. And Miss State has 1.
Surely A&M would have won a few SEC Titles had they been playing in the SEC since 1933....
So while I do think there are 6 SEC programs that are solidly better than A&M in terms of overall program prestige, they are a bit handicapped when it comes to ranking All-Time SEC performance.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 8:46 am
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:36 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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It's really simple. Only 6 SEC teams have ever won the title game since the conference went to a 2-Division format in 1992.
I remember first hearing the term "Big 6" back in the mid-to-late 1990s.... that was well before LSU (2001), Georgia (2002), and Auburn (2004) won their first SEC Titles following the split into 2 divisions.
The fact that all six have won multiple SEC Titles since Division play began is supporting evidence of there being a strong "Big 6" but it has nothing to do with the origins of the term. That term has been going around for quite some time.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:38 am to tiger perry
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SEC Titles since expansion
West
Bama
LSU
Auburn
East
Florida
Georgia
Tennessee
This is the reason for the Big Six. It never changes unless some other program can break thru and win SEC titles in football. It’s as easy as that
No actually its not at all that easy. Had Missouri won the SEC Title in 2013 or 2014, there is no way they'd be considered "Big 7" right now. One great season or one terrible season has virtually zero bearing on these rankings or the prestige of being "Big 6". It's decades of program performance.
Winning one Title means basically zero.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:39 am to Mithridates6
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The VOLS are no longer a member. It's the Big 5
Well they still rank ahead of Auburn at this point, and Florida just passed them last season.
Again, UT has 13 SEC Titles and 2 National Titles. One bad year or even 15 bad years doesn't erase those accolades.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:43 am to DawgFanDave
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Are you going by claimed national titles?
No. Only official major poll era titles.
So no '64 title for Arkansas, no '42 title for Georgia... none of the retroactively claimed titles Alabama tries to push from the '20s or the ridiculous '41 claim. Obviously none of Ole Miss' fake titles either.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 8:44 am
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:45 am to BHMKyle
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5. Tennessee- 0.460
I'd love to see how Tennessee stacks up since 1999
Posted on 9/18/20 at 8:51 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
still better than state
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:01 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
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I'd love to see how Tennessee stacks up since 1999
If you take just 1999-2019 and look at it by itself without any prior history, this is how the SEC ranks purely on performance since 1999 based on the factors of the ranking system:
1. Alabama- .893
2. LSU- .717
3. Florida- .592
4. Georgia- .533
5. Auburn- .471
6. Tennessee- .261
7. Texas A&M- .251
8. S. Carolina- .250
9. Missouri- .237
10. Arkansas- .198
11. Ole Miss- .197
12. Miss St.- .188
13. Kentucky- .125
14. Vanderbilt- .092
Notice the gigantic gap between #5 Auburn and #6 Tennessee. Yes, if you take out historical performance, there really is a "Big 5" nowadays and Tennessee is not in the group. But, regardless I do believe history should account for something. In fact it means a lot. That's how BYU can win a National Title in 1984 and yet they were still thought of as a mid-major. One season shouldn't define a program.
Also worth noting is that Tennessee STILL comes out #6 ahead of Texas A&M despite neither having a single SEC or National Title since 1999. A&M has a slightly better SEC Winning percentage (53.1% to UT's 48.5%), but it's Tennessee's 86 AP Poll points compared to A&M's 49 which allows Tennessee to slightly finish ahead.
Tennessee finished #9 in 1999... #4 in 2001... #9 in 2000... and then between #12 and #25 in 2003, '04, '06, and '07... Things really fell off in 2008.
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:09 am to BHMKyle
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If you take just 1999-2019
More like the big 2.
This post was edited on 9/18/20 at 10:10 am
Posted on 9/18/20 at 10:18 am to transcend
Do we pass Tennessee if we are awarded the titles we rightly earned in 83 and 04?
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