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re: What will LSU's "ESPN 30 for 30" title be?

Posted on 4/12/21 at 5:08 pm to
Posted by TigerLunatik
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 5:08 pm to
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What the hell is best season even supposed to mean really?

All of the discussion that we've had about the 2019 LSU season, I've been arguing best season and made it a point to always make sure it was known that I wasn't arguing best team because it's too subjective. I really hope you're trolling. There's no way even you are that dumb.
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well, such a thing didn't exist until 2019 apparently.

Of course it did.

There was just never a season that was even close to all of the things that LSU accomplished in 2019. You just choose to say that all of those accomplishments don't mean that it was the best season.
Posted by ecb
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 5:53 pm to
LSU is not leaving the SEC, that's just dumb. Only Tulane is that dumb.
Posted by forestwhitackersgood
Dallas
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 6:08 pm to
"The team that made Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstein, and Kevin Spacey proud"

an LSU 30 for 30
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:04 pm to

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All of the discussion that we've had about the 2019 LSU season, I've been arguing best season and made it a point to always make sure it was known that I wasn't arguing best team because it's too subjective. I really hope you're trolling. There's no way even you are that dumb.


Season has to be even more subjective.

I mean as far as SoS goes, which method are we talking about? Because if you use averages to account for the length of a season, then it might be the case. Some of them stink, and it's not that easy to compare them cross seasons since they are relative to that year.

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Of course it did.

There was just never a season that was even close to all of the things that LSU accomplished in 2019. You just choose to say that all of those accomplishments don't mean that it was the best season.


No, it didn't. I've heard debate about the GOAT team as far back as I can remember.

Never heard anyone talk about greatest "season" ever. Maybe in reference to 1971 Nebraska, but even then it was only a point towards claiming 1971 Nebraska as the GOAT.

"All those accomplishments". Well that's all recency bias because most of those bs awards and things didn't even exist until recently. It's all fluff for the masses.


Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:08 pm to
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I’d point out it wasn't even the best team of the playoff era.


Let me guess, the team who got in a dogfight with a 4-loss Florida team during a pandemic season and had a NCG opponent who started their season on Halloween was the best EVAR
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 7:15 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:22 pm to
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Let me guess, the team who got in a dogfight with a 4-loss Florida team during a pandemic season and had a NCG opponent who started their season on Halloween was the best EVAR


LSU almost lost to an unranked in the coaches poll Texas team. Then barely beat Alabama by 5, and only beat Auburn by 3.

That Alabama team was the best of the playoff era. 1995 Nebraska is still the GOAT. Alabama came close, but that 6 point victory over Florida messed up the MoV mojo.

So tell me more about how your multiple wins by 7 and less against lower ranked teams means 2019 LSU was better.

2019 LSU closest victories: 3, 5 and 7.
2020 Alabama: 6, 15, 17
1995 Nebraska: 14, 21 and I forget.

Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:28 pm to
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LSU almost lost to an unranked in the coaches poll Texas team. Then barely beat Alabama by 5


Yeah, the two games that had the other teams scoring late garbage touchdowns to make the score seem a lot closer than it actually was. Using this big-brain logic, 4-loss Florida “almost beat” you.

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That Alabama team was the best of the playoff era.


This take will be laughed at in the near future. My absolute favorite is when you tards use qualifiers that will literally never be granted to teams in the future (like an SEC schedule) because the circumstances of a worldwide pandemic.

Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
45150 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:31 pm to
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2019 LSU closest victories: 3, 5 and 7.
2020 Alabama: 6, 15, 17


Beating Georgia, Oklahoma, and Clemson more than make up for a close victory against Auburn

You’re so caught up in having less “close wins” that you just dismiss all the fricking context. Half the teams you played didn’t even finish with a winning record

LSU also faced tougher defenses than Alabama did.
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 7:32 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:40 pm to
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Beating Georgia, Oklahoma, and Clemson more than make up for a close victory against Auburn



Every game you just named was add on games. Meaning, Alabama basically did the same thing. You played in the SECCG and the playoffs.

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You’re so caught up in having less “close wins” that you just dismiss all the fricking context. Half the teams you played didn’t even finish with a winning record



Oh, look who can't grasp that conference games always equal out to .500 overall. Go look at the SEC only records of the SEC teams you played in 2019. Or, just add 3 meaningless cupcake wins to the teams and see all the sudden winning records.

Basic math...try it.

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LSU also faced tougher defenses than Alabama did.


I'm not even sure what this claim is supposed to be based off.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52489 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:49 pm to
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Oh, look who can't grasp that conference games always equal out to .500 overall. Go look at the SEC only records of the SEC teams you played in 2019.


If no mistake

4 of 9 of 2019 LSU's opponents had winning records in conference.

4 of 11 of 2020 Alabama's opponents had winning records in conference.
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:57 pm to
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If no mistake

4 of 9 of 2019 LSU's opponents had winning records in conference.

4 of 11 of 2020 Alabama's opponents had winning records in conference.


I'm not checking it, because it's about exactly what I expected. Basically the same. Alabama got 2 extra East teams rather than cupcakes.
Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
45150 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 7:59 pm to
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Every game you just named was add on games. Meaning, Alabama basically did the same thing


Oh yeah, that same 4-loss Florida team (who lost to shitass LSU) is basically just like a 12-2 Georgia team that had a top 3 defense nationally

Notre Dame was basically 12-2 Big 12 Champion Oklahoma

6-win Ohio State (who started playing on Halloween and won a whopping one more game than 2020 LSU did lmfao) is totally like so basically like a 14-win Clemson team on a 29-game winning streak.

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Oh, look who can't grasp that conference games always equal out to .500 overall. Go look at the SEC only records of the SEC teams you played in 2019


Your big and tough “all SEC schedule” is one of the main things you Bama bros pound your chest about despite knowing there won’t be any team in the future that could possibly prove themselves against a similar slate...because of the circumstances of a pandemic


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I'm not even sure what this claim is supposed to be based off.


I’m not claiming anything. I’m stating things. The toughest defense you faced all of last year would’ve been 2019 LSU’s 3rd toughest.

You’re sitting here telling me 2020 Alabama “basically” did all the same things as 2019 LSU while I’m objectively telling you they did it against tougher opponents during an actual normal season with actual normal road environments.
Posted by makersmark1
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:00 pm to
“God be not mocked.”

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Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52489 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:00 pm to
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Alabama got 2 extra East teams rather than cupcakes


Which ones?
Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
45150 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:07 pm to
Alabama fans thinking LSU playing cupcake games is some sort of “own” or “gotcha” will never not be hilarious to me

As if cupcake games aren’t a part of every SEC team’s regular season

As if their own Alabama team this year and in the future won’t also have scheduled cupcake games


They literally have built up this narrative that NO team, even their own Alabama teams of the future, can literally evarrrrr be as good as 2020 Alabama because of scheduled-cupcake games
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 8:09 pm
Posted by Slackaveli
Fayetteville
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:07 pm to
Strong arse Offer
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22655 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:09 pm to
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Which ones?


Alabama played the top 11 of the 13 other SEC teams. Did not play Vandy or South Carolina.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
52489 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:10 pm to
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Alabama played the top 11 of the 13 other SEC teams. Did not play Vandy or South Carolina.


I meant which teams did they add instead of playing cupcakes.
Posted by GCTiger11
Ocean Springs, MS
Member since Jan 2012
45150 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:14 pm to
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Alabama played the top 11 of the 13 other SEC teams.


I like how you used the adjective "top" to describe beating teams like 5-5 Missouri, 5-5 LSU, 4-5 Ole Miss, 3-7 Arkansas, 3-7 MS State, and 4-6 Kentucky. Super impressive slate there.

I think it would be hilarious to see those teams with those records listed on some sort of trophy proclaiming "Greatest Alabama team of all time"
This post was edited on 4/12/21 at 8:16 pm
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
22655 posts
Posted on 4/12/21 at 8:16 pm to
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Oh yeah, that same 4-loss Florida team (who lost to shitass LSU) is basically just like a 12-2 Georgia team that had a top 3 defense nationally


Alabama played Georgia dipshit.

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Notre Dame was basically 12-2 Big 12 Champion Oklahoma


Notre Dame had one of the best defenses in the country. Try again.

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6-win Ohio State (who started playing on Halloween and won a whopping one more game than 2020 LSU did lmfao) is totally like so basically like a 14-win Clemson team on a 29-game winning streak.



That Ohio St team made it to the national championship because they beat Clemson in the playoffs.

Holy shite you are stupid.

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Your big and tough “all SEC schedule” is one of the main things you Bama bros pound your chest about despite knowing there won’t be any team in the future that could possibly prove themselves against a similar slate...because of the circumstances of a pandemic


What the hell does this have to do with you not understanding the basic concept that conference games always equal out to a .500 record for the conference? As I said, look at the SEC only records for 2019, as someone else did, and you'll see it's not any different.

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I’m not claiming anything. I’m stating things. The toughest defense you faced all of last year would’ve been 2019 LSU’s 3rd toughest.

You’re sitting here telling me 2020 Alabama “basically” did all the same things as 2019 LSU while I’m objectively telling you they did it against tougher opponents during an actual normal season with actual normal road environments.


Well considering you didn't realize Notre Dame had a top10 defense last year, I really doubt anything you say here is based on actual data. It's pretty obvious you don't know shite.

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You’re sitting here telling me 2020 Alabama “basically” did all the same things as 2019 LSU while I’m objectively telling you they did it against tougher opponents during an actual normal season with actual normal road environments.


"Road Environments"? Death Valley looked just like it did every other year in the 4th quarter. Hell, if anything it was a positive for LSU, since it was the first time you even scored a point against Alabama since 2014 in your own stadium.
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