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re: What the Auburn/Cam Situation Taught All Of Us
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:12 pm to AlaTiger
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:12 pm to AlaTiger
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Thanks for getting my point. The last time I got upset about a school paying players was Auburn and Cam. When that was all over I just said, “Oh, I get it. What a fool I was.” I’ve ignored all this stuff ever since. Now my school gets pinched and it’s a shame and whatnot that Wade was stupid enough to get caught. That alone is a fireable offense because he won’t be successful in the long run if he isn’t more skilled at doing what everyone else does.
It is what it is. So be it.
Agree - I think the general sentiment is that as long as you stay in the lane of what "most people" are doing and are smart enough to maintain plausible deniability nobody is going to go after you for it.
I think Wade just got out over his skis and got unlucky, and it bit him.
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Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:12 pm to SummerOfGeorge
I think you’re right about that, Summer of George. More players too. From Eric Dickerson to Marcus Dupree to Cam and all the way to present day, I have no doubt top players get paid. The NFL has that 3 yrs out of high school rule too and players have to show they can play in college to get drafted, so yeah, football is probably a bit different in the amount. Still, it happens. I’ve heard stories for years from people around players.
It’s all part of it.
It’s all part of it.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:13 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I think Wade just got out over his skis and got unlucky,
That is some shitty luck......trying to go through a guy that the FEDS have tapped. wow.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:14 pm to AlaTiger
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OJ was innocent too.
That jury was made up of a bunch of bitter black people that wanted to get even with big bad whitey. No way you can compare the situations.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:14 pm to AlaTiger
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I think you’re right about that, Summer of George. More players too. From Eric Dickerson to Marcus Dupree to Cam and all the way to present day, I have no doubt top players get paid. The NFL has that 3 yrs out of high school rule too and players have to show they can play in college to get drafted, so yeah, football is probably a bit different in the amount. Still, it happens. I’ve heard stories for years from people around players.
It’s all part of it.
Yep - I think college football since around 2000 or so has gotten much less "blatant" like it was in the 80's and 90's. Between the SWC stuff, all the Memphis stuff, etc along with so much reporting and writing about recruiting.........I just think the risk/reward is way more tilted towards risk at this point for those guys to do things like just buy cars or houses or whatever.
Basketball, however, is about to have their SWC/SMU moment, because as of now it's very much still in that 1980's style college football mode.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:14 pm to SummerOfGeorge
The biggest difference in the two sports in numbers. When corruption is widespread with football, it is harder to keep a lid on it. With BB, you have maybe 10 people getting paid, so it is easy to keep it under wraps (unless the FBI is involved). In Football the chances of disgruntled players is higher, especially if they see someone else getting more than they are.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:15 pm to DyeHardDylan
Notice they bring up OJ as a comparison but don't you dare bring up the fan reaction to the Penn State stuff...
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:15 pm to TidenUP
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I just don't get how using a different school's run- ins with the rulemakers is considered a legit defense for what your school is being scrutinized for. Even IF Bama/AU/NC/Duke has gotten away with stuff, it STILL doesn't somehow justify why your school should be ignored.
I was saying that’s when my eyes opened and I stopped getting upset about all this. But, remove that example. Whatever. Over the past 8-9 years, I’ve been aware this is how it all works. I should have seen it before. I guess I thought it was more isolated and that the NCAA would crack down. That was dumb.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:16 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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Basketball, however, is about to have their SWC/SMU moment, because as of now it's very much still in that 1980's style college football mode.
The one and done thing has probably contributed to it all as well.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:17 pm to AlaTiger
I managed to get through your third paragraph before I gave up. You are a shiity writer.
I think you're trying to convey that teams who commit more, win more. Right? Welcome to the 1950's.
I think you're trying to convey that teams who commit more, win more. Right? Welcome to the 1950's.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:17 pm to Irons Puppet
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The biggest difference in the two sports in numbers. When corruption is widespread with football, it is harder to keep a lid on it. With BB, you have maybe 10 people getting paid, so it is easy to keep it under wraps (unless the FBI is involved). In Football the chances of disgruntled players is higher, especially if they see someone else getting more than they are.
Yep - that is a good point. Also, college football recruiting is a long drawn out process with hundreds of writers/bloggers who talk to kids and follow it all from the time they are 15 years old. College basketball is basically a summer circuit of games (put on by shoe companies) and outside of a few schools not that much media coverage of kids before they commit. And, kids don't generally make a huge deal about their recruitment process or "lean" one way or another, and kids almost never flip.
It's just a different deal, and basketball is MUCH more in the shadows and less transparent.
This post was edited on 3/10/19 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:19 pm to AlaTiger
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The last time I got upset about a school paying players was Auburn and Cam.
You mean you got mad after you made the assumption that Auburn paid Cam and the investigation said otherwise, right?
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:19 pm to AlaTiger
In a different thread, I agreed that MOST schools probably do pay for players. My only question on the LSU stuff is why are they pointing at other schools as a reason why they shouldn't be looked at on this situation. It makes no sense.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:20 pm to TidenUP
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Notice they bring up OJ as a comparison but don't you dare bring up the fan reaction to the Penn State stuff...
“They.”
I’m not talking about LSU fans defending their team. Sure. Of course. Blind loyalty. I see it with every school. If you think Alabama fans wouldn’t do it, you’re delusional. But, sure, guy. Hypocrisy abounds.
I haven’t seen proof of Wade doing anything wrong, by the way. I just assume he has like I assumed something fishy was likely going on when a new young coach comes in and starts pulling top recruiting classes. I thought he’s likely to get caught.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:20 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Some of the bball players start getting paid/extra benefits before they even get to HS. They expect it. I have read articles where some of the top HS AAU players are making more than the average income of a one family income.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:22 pm to alpinetiger
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I managed to get through your third paragraph before I gave up. You are a shiity writer.
And you can’t spell.
It’s a message board and I’m typing on my phone, not trying to write a novel. Read something else.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:24 pm to TidenUP
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In a different thread, I agreed that MOST schools probably do pay for players. My only question on the LSU stuff is why are they pointing at other schools as a reason why they shouldn't be looked at on this situation. It makes no sense.
It’s a terrible excuse, I agree. My point is that you have to be smart enough to not get caught in this. Because this is what it is.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:24 pm to MrAUTigers
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I have read articles where some of the top HS AAU players are making more than the average income of a one family income.
Yep - the AAU/shoe company middleman is by far the biggest problem. It's just an extra layer without any oversight that is ripe for fraudulent activity.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:25 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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I think that football is much more smalltime (cash handshakes, car loans at a better rate, finding jobs for parents, etc) than basketball, solely due to the fact that it's just much easier in basketball with the AAU and shoe deal stuff to funnel money than it is in football.
I’m not making excuses here, but when it comes to basketball it’s so widespread it’s almost like it’s not cheating.
It’s the norm. It’s the way it’s done.
And everybody who knows anything about college basketball knows that’s how it has been for many years.
I think the “shoe companies” have made the sport more competitive.
Kentucky has one NC in the last 20 years.
Posted on 3/10/19 at 3:26 pm to AlaTiger
You brought up OJ being innocent. Last night, another poster brought up the Penn State fans defending JoePa and an LSU fan jumped in with how the 2 cases aren't comparable. If you throw OJ out there as a case where justice is uneven, then the Penn State fans' defense would comparable to the LSU fanbase reaction, too. No?
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