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re: What prevents Vanderbilt from competing in Football using Stanford's model?
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:53 am to Taurus 357
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:53 am to Taurus 357
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As shitty as Texas has been, they do get credit for a home and home with a P5 OOC team being Mississippi
A Texas was good when they scheduled
B Ole Miss was bad when they scheduled
Brown & Co were scheduling for the easy win against a P5 - and a SEC P5 at that.
Problem is, Texas was going down and Ole Miss was coming up when the games were actually played so it backfired on Texas. Ole Miss won 1 of the 2 games. Not sure why you are making a point already made? I am conceding Texas did it with intentions of an easy win. Did I miss something here?
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Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:57 am to Cheese Grits
Point well taken. And I'm guessing many on the rant were trumpeting the dominance of the SEC when Ole Miss beat a shitty Texas. That is my point. If people don't want to give Texas credit (not you) but want to crown Ole Miss for beating Texas, it's a contradiction. That's all
Posted on 12/10/15 at 11:58 am to Forkbeard3777
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They have zero incentive to play a SEC home and home.
They just played a home and home with Duke in the past year or so. They will play Vanderbilt in a few years. Hell, scheduling UK for a win works and BBN would travel heavy for a game in sunny CA. BBN probably have more fans in the stands than Stanford playing at Stanford.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:04 pm to Taurus 357
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That's all
FWIW, I think Brown dumbing down the Texas schedule is probably what put Texas in their current position. Before Brown got there Texas was scheduling more like Oklahoma and less like Baylor. I have no problem giving Oklahoma credit for good scheduling and giving Baylor crap for theirs.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:08 pm to Cheese Grits
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Thats right, ZERO games played by Stanford in the SEC in over 100 years. Seems pretty positive Stanford is adverse to playing in SEC stadiums.
You're pretty positive without knowing the specific reasons as to who may have approached who and who didn't agree to play?
And given the SEC's avoidance of away OOC games and the extra OOC cupcake game, plenty of folks would believe that the SEC would avoid playing Stanford in recent years.
I don't know the answer, but there isn't anything linked to the thread that would identify the reason there haven't been many games.
You might want to look at some of the other SEC schools and see how many times they have played Pac12 schools. You probably would be able to reach a few more unwarranted conclusions.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:09 pm to Cheese Grits
I'm failing to see your point. Are you trying to criticize Stanford's OOC scheduling by not playing SEC road games?
They've got 1/3 OOC games locked up with Notre Dame.
Just like Michigan has to take care of the directional schools (W. Michigan, C. Michigan, E. Michigan), I'm sure the state of California has it written up that the 4 Pac 12 schools need to schedule the likes of: San Jose State, San Diego State, Fresno State, Cal Poly, UC-Davis, etc....that's probably 2/3.
That leaves one more game. Stanford, in my opinion, is doing a great job in scheduling P5 opponents for that other game. And they certainly don't mind going on the road and showing it.
They've got 1/3 OOC games locked up with Notre Dame.
Just like Michigan has to take care of the directional schools (W. Michigan, C. Michigan, E. Michigan), I'm sure the state of California has it written up that the 4 Pac 12 schools need to schedule the likes of: San Jose State, San Diego State, Fresno State, Cal Poly, UC-Davis, etc....that's probably 2/3.
That leaves one more game. Stanford, in my opinion, is doing a great job in scheduling P5 opponents for that other game. And they certainly don't mind going on the road and showing it.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:17 pm to Forkbeard3777
Just looking at previous Stanford OOC schedules:
'07: San Jose State, TCU, Notre Dame
'08: @ TCU, San Jose State, @ Notre Dame
'09: @ Wake Forest, San Jose State, Notre Dame
'10: Sacramento State, Wake Forest, @ Notre Dame
'11: San Jose State, @ Duke, Notre Dame
'12: San Jose State, Duke, @ Notre Dame
'13: San Jose State, @ Army, Notre Dame
'14: UC-Davis, Army, @ Notre Dame
'15: @ Northwestern, UCF, Notre Dame
'16: Kansas State, Rice, @ Notre Dame
'17: @ Rice, @ San Diego State, Notre Dame
I'd say they do a damn good job at OOC scheduling. They are getting their name and brand of football into Texas, New York, Illinois, and North Carolina. It's probably strategic scheduling.
'07: San Jose State, TCU, Notre Dame
'08: @ TCU, San Jose State, @ Notre Dame
'09: @ Wake Forest, San Jose State, Notre Dame
'10: Sacramento State, Wake Forest, @ Notre Dame
'11: San Jose State, @ Duke, Notre Dame
'12: San Jose State, Duke, @ Notre Dame
'13: San Jose State, @ Army, Notre Dame
'14: UC-Davis, Army, @ Notre Dame
'15: @ Northwestern, UCF, Notre Dame
'16: Kansas State, Rice, @ Notre Dame
'17: @ Rice, @ San Diego State, Notre Dame
I'd say they do a damn good job at OOC scheduling. They are getting their name and brand of football into Texas, New York, Illinois, and North Carolina. It's probably strategic scheduling.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:27 pm to Grovewater
I would attend Vanderbilt just so I could eat SATCO every day for lunch and hang out at the Hutton bar
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:27 pm to oman
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You're pretty positive without knowing
Oh, I know, just not stating it on a public board.
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SEC would avoid playing Stanford in recent years.
I am talking about decades, not just a few years. Again, if Stanford could play Tulane 4 home and home in the SEC and 4 home and home when they left the SEC, no reason not to schedule other SEC teams in the 70's and 80's. I am sure at least 2 of the 10 SEC members were open to such a game.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:33 pm to Cheese Grits
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Again, if Stanford could play Tulane 4 home and home in the SEC and 4 home and home when they left the SEC, no reason not to schedule other SEC teams in the 70's and 80's. I am sure at least 2 of the 10 SEC members were open to such a game.
Not to be the bearer of bad news, but maybe Stanford prides itself in playing other erudite universities?
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:39 pm to Forkbeard3777
Shocker. PAC12, Big 10, ACC fans want to throw SOS out the window. This is just going to get worse. They can vote themselves into the NC picture, whether they have played anyone who doesn't suck or not. Boise State syndrome.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:40 pm to Forkbeard3777
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I'm failing to see your point. Are you trying to criticize Stanford's OOC scheduling by not playing SEC road games?
They've got 1/3 OOC games locked up with Notre Dame.
That is more recently, if you read my posts I am talking about a 100 year span or so. Even with Notre Dame OOC locked up they still played
Notre Dame vs Stanford series begins
1997 North Carolina
1998 North Carolina
1999 Texas
2000 Texas
2001 Boston College
2002 Boston College
2003 BYU
2004 BYU
2005 Navy
2006 Navy
2007 TCU
2008 TCU
2009 Wake Forest
2010 Wake Forest
2011 Duke
2012 Duke
2013 Army
2014 Army
2015 Northwestern
Now I can see them not scheduling B1G schools because of the Rose Bowl but they scheduled ACC and B12 schools while playing the Notre Dame series.
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And they certainly don't mind going on the road and showing it.
Except in going on the road to SEC stadiums, as they have not done it.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:40 pm to troyt37
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Shocker. PAC12, Big 10, ACC fans want to throw SOS out the window. This is just going to get worse. They can vote themselves into the NC picture, whether they have played anyone who doesn't suck or not. Boise State syndrome.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:42 pm to Forkbeard3777
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Not to be the bearer of bad news, but maybe Stanford prides itself in playing other erudite universities?
If that were the case they would have scheduled Vanderbilt decades ago.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:43 pm to Cheese Grits
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Now I can see them not scheduling B1G schools
As I mentioned earlier, they had a good couple of series with Michigan and Penn State in the 70's. I also remember they played a home and home with Ohio State in the early to mid 80's.
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Except in going on the road to SEC stadiums, as they have not done it.
Not to be the bearer of bad news, but maybe Stanford prides itself in playing other erudite universities?
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:45 pm to Forkbeard3777
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Not to be the bearer of bad news, but maybe Stanford prides itself in playing other erudite universities who won't beat their arse?
FIFY
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:45 pm to Cheese Grits
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If that were the case they would have scheduled Vanderbilt decades ago.
You can only fit so many in a given time. As I mentioned, it looks like 2/3 of their games are filled (Notre Dame and a California school). That leaves one slot and given Stanford's history of scheduling, I'll stick to my theory...
West Point
Naval Academy
Duke
Northwestern
Texas
Boston College
North Carolina
Rice
Wake Forest
Tulane
TCU
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:52 pm to TRUERockyTop
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Their AD and it's commitment to football
i'm pretty sure vandy has no AD. they disbanded it some years ago and I haven't heard they added it back.
it's weird I know. but vandy began to really compete in baseball after said change and football got better too (franklin was coach).
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:54 pm to Grovewater
Vandy doesn't play in the PAC 12.
Posted on 12/10/15 at 12:59 pm to GregAl
I'm also quite confused as to why you are expecting Stanford to play this daunting, rigorous schedule every year? Historically, Stanford is a middle of the pack football team. They rank in the mid 60's in all-time wins (.579 %). They've only been to four Rose Bowls since 2000 ('72 was the last time before that).
They aren't USC. They're Stanford.
They aren't USC. They're Stanford.
This post was edited on 12/10/15 at 1:00 pm
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