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re: What grades would you give Kelly and Napier so far?

Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:01 pm to
Posted by DawginSC
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:01 pm to
At this point UF is projecting between 7-5 to 6-6 on the season. (FPI projection)

Is 7-5 this year above a C-level performance for UF? I wouldn't think so.

LSU is projecting at 8-4. I might be convinced to bump Kelly to a C+ if that's what goes down... but not in the B's.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:02 pm to
At least post under your regular account.
Posted by TigerinKorea
Member since Aug 2014
8547 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:03 pm to
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So you have no concept of strength of schedule at all?


“LSU ain’t played nobody, Pawl!” Alabama fans can’t help themselves.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:05 pm to
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At least post under your regular account.


Not sure why you think this is not my only account. I came over here after leaving Rivals due to the political nature of their college football forum. You can look up my handle there and see I was posting there since 2001 before I left.

Do my posts remind you of someone else?
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:05 pm to
I mean you already outed yourself as an alter, so...
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:07 pm to
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I mean you already outed yourself as an alter, so...


???

Are you confusing me with someone else? I literally have no idea what you're talking about.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:08 pm to
"Nobody at LSU thought LSU would lose to any of their first 4 opponents. The loss to FSU is a disappointment."

"UF fans thought they'd be 3-1 at worst after their first four games. They're 2-2."

You do realize we can see your join date, right?
Posted by 3down10
Member since Sep 2014
30905 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:09 pm to
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“LSU ain’t played nobody, Pawl!” Alabama fans can’t help themselves.


Name the good team you beat, I'll wait.
Posted by TigerinKorea
Member since Aug 2014
8547 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:12 pm to
State. Shove your smug rebuttal up your arse.
Posted by cyarrr
Prairieville
Member since Jun 2017
3771 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:13 pm to
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I love LSU too, but week one was not a flukey loss. FSU dominated us.


Not really, pretty much statistically even at game’s end, each half polar opposite of the other.

Box Score
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:16 pm to
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"Nobody at LSU thought LSU would lose to any of their first 4 opponents. The loss to FSU is a disappointment."

"UF fans thought they'd be 3-1 at worst after their first four games. They're 2-2."

You do realize we can see your join date, right?


Yes... so? I explained I was on rivals until recently.

Are you assuming when I say "nobody at LSU" or "UF fans" I'm just talking about this message board? I'm talking about your fans in general.

The other website I regularly look at is dawgnation which has forum threads collecting posts from various teams message boards where they talk about their expectations (that we laugh at being unlikely to happen). I'm dawginsc there too, just like I was at Rivals before I swore off.

Tried 247's forums but they have no activity whatsoever. This one is pretty good. Was dawginsc2000 there since dawginsc was already taken as a handle.

But anyway... feel free to believe what you will. Doesn't change my opinion that the UF and LSU coaching performances to date are below average as they project to 7-5 for UF and 8-4 for LSU.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:20 pm to
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But anyway... feel free to believe what you will. Doesn't change my opinion that the UF and LSU coaching performances to date are below average as they project to 7-5 for UF and 8-4 for LSU.


You seem like a casual fan who only looks at box scores and recruiting rankings and can't actually see the big picture.

8-4 for LSU would be a pretty damn good coaching job all things considered.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:24 pm to
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I explained I was on rivals until recently.

You think you're the first to pull this?
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:30 pm to
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You seem like a casual fan who only looks at box scores and recruiting rankings and can't actually see the big picture.

8-4 for LSU would be a pretty damn good coaching job all things considered.


I'm the type of fan who gives numbers more credence than "feelings".

I expected LSU to be a 9-3 team in the regular season. Losses to Bama, and 2 of the 4 of A&M, Arkansas, Ole Miss and UT. That's also where FPI put their expectations coming in to the season... 9-3.

The reality is that going 9-3 is a B job for LSU. Performing as expected. Less than 9-3 is less than a B coaching performance.

I don't treat my team differently... UGA coming in to the year would have had a 11-1 season as a B. 10-2 is a C or worse year this season. 12-0 would be an A.

I firmly believe that often people looking at football get blinded by flash and don't actually look enough at the basic numbers. How good a coaching job you're doing comes down to wins and losses more than anything else. It doesn't matter if it's stupid game day decisions that cause a loss, or lack of talent that you recruited/coached up, or poor preparation, or lack of depth exposed by injuries... those all fall on the coach to take care of. One of the things that makes me laugh about people talking about coaches is when they say that a coach only wins because of the talent he has on his team. Talent acquisition is part of being a coach. If you're 10-2 by taking bad players and coaching them up with great play calling... or your 10-2 against the same schedule by recruiting great players but doing little in terms of playcalling or development... you're still a coach that got the team to 10-2.
Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:32 pm to
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You think you're the first to pull this?


Again... feel free to believe what you will. You can ignore my posts if you think I'm an alter account. Not really going to change anything I do.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
46850 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:33 pm to
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The reality is that going 9-3 is a B job for LSU. Performing as expected. Less than 9-3 is less than a B coaching performance.

Holy shite
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:33 pm to
Since you're obsessed with talent composite...UGA was 6th in 2016 and yet still lost 5 games.
Posted by SidewalkTiger
Midwest, USA
Member since Dec 2019
61622 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:38 pm to
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I'm the type of fan who gives numbers more credence than "feelings".


You're loosely interpreting numbers to fit your narrative and refuse to look at the reality of a situation.

Why did you think LSU would beat Florida State?

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I firmly believe that often people looking at football get blinded by flash and don't actually look enough at the basic numbers. How good a coaching job you're doing comes down to wins and losses more than anything else. It doesn't matter if it's stupid game day decisions that cause a loss, or lack of talent that you recruited/coached up, or poor preparation, or lack of depth exposed by injuries... those all fall on the coach to take care of. One of the things that makes me laugh about people talking about coaches is when they say that a coach only wins because of the talent he has on his team. Talent acquisition is part of being a coach. If you're 10-2 by taking bad players and coaching them up with great play calling... or your 10-2 against the same schedule by recruiting great players but doing little in terms of playcalling or development... you're still a coach that got the team to 10-2.


Yep.

You're a casual.


Posted by DawginSC
Member since Aug 2022
7341 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:38 pm to
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Since you're obsessed with talent composite...UGA was 6th in 2016 and yet still lost 5 games.



Yes. As I said, after 2016 I would have put Smart at a c- or worse in terms of his performance to that point.

His #3 recruiting class would have bumped him up to a B or B-. That was a significant upgrade on how UGA recruited previously (especially when you look at the total score rather than the ranking).

We're talking about where coaches are NOW in terms of a grade... not where they might end up being. Smart's grade was not very high after the 2016 season.
Posted by MetroAtlantaGatorFan
Member since Jun 2017
15598 posts
Posted on 9/27/22 at 8:39 pm to
"How good a coaching job you're doing comes down to wins and losses more than anything else."

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