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re: What grades would you give Kelly and Napier so far?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:40 am to DawginSC
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:40 am to DawginSC
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It's foolish to think one thing causes a win or a loss. While the missed kick was part of it, there were plenty of other mistakes by players and bad decisions on Kelly's part that ended up in total leading to the loss.
So what were his "bad decisions?"
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A loss in a 50/50 game and wins in games where LSU was heavily favored.
That's not a B grade. It's a C grade at best. Losing your only toss up game is not a good performance... and it's not just one play that caused it.
LSU wasn't favored vs State, believe they were a 2.5 point underdog.
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Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:40 am to TigerNutwhack
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I'm pretty sure MSU was favored at game time, so people didn't think LSU was "supposed" to win that one.
I'm talking about pre-season expectations and projections.
MSU was favored at game time because LSU lost to FSU and that loss decreased the opinion of LSU.
LSU was supposed to start 4-0. This week's game was the first one LSU was thought to be an underdog in.
You can't use decreased expectations due to a loss as a way to prop up the grade of a coach.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:42 am to DawginSC
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I'm talking about pre-season expectations and projections.
Well that's dumb.
Preseason expectations and projections are nothing more than an educated guess.
Completely worthless.
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You can't use decreased expectations due to a loss as a way to prop up the grade of a coach.
Yet you're using worthless preseason projections as a way to do the opposite.
As opposed to using actual results.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:48 am to DawginSC
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It's foolish to think one thing causes a win or a loss. While the missed kick was part of it, there were plenty of other mistakes by players and bad decisions on Kelly's part that ended up in total leading to the loss.
Did you watch the game? I did. Two teams coming off very bad seasons. FSU had a warmup game. LSU did not, and LSU had an entirely brand new coaching staff and most of the 2 deep was new. Both teams played sloppy. FSU played less sloppily.
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The grand total of what Kelly did with his team resulted in a loss in the only game that was a 50/50 game (by your estimation). That's the grand total of his results so far. A loss in a 50/50 game and wins in games where LSU was heavily favored.
Mississippi State was picked to beat LSU.
LSU won very heavily in the 2 games they were favored to win very heavily and went 1/1 in the pick ems.
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That's not a B grade. It's a C grade at best. Losing your only toss up game is not a good performance... and it's not just one play that caused it.
You're just plain wrong, and this last paragraph is a nice summation of your wrongness.
I stand by a B+ for Kelly so far. He goes any better than 4-4 over ROS and I'll give him an A-.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:48 am to jnethe1
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Well he was in the sec championship, coaching against saban. Name another coach who has done better vs saban in the sec championship game?
Urban Meyer beat Saban once in the SECCG at UF.
I'd also say that UF clawing back to a 6 point loss at the end of the 2020 SECCG probably isn't as close as UGA having a 14 point lead over Bama in the 2018 SECCG then letting Bama come back and win by 7 with a minute to go.
But you could go either way on that.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:50 am to wadewilson
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Mississippi State was picked to beat LSU
Again, being favored because you lost the first game that you were supposed to win is not a positive factor for LSU's coaching.
LSU was favored in the pre-season over MSU. They became a dog because of Kelly losing game 1.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:53 am to DawginSC
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pre-season
Your whole argument is hinging on a preseason pick?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:54 am to SidewalkTiger
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Well that's dumb.
Preseason expectations and projections are nothing more than an educated guess.
Completely worthless.
They're how you grade performance.
If you're expected to be a 9-3 team and you go 11-1... it's a success regardless of if the reason for that is your opponents weren't as good as expected. If you're expected to be 9-3 and you go 8-5 it's a failure.
The odd sliding scale you want to give your coach is silly and nobody is talking about a final grade for these coaches. It's a grade on where they are now. And while you might expect Kelly to do great the rest of the year or you may expect him to fail... the reality is right now he's 3-1 and coming into the year he was expected to be 4-0. That's not going to be an A or B grade for any coach in that situation.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:55 am to DawginSC
Wrong. LSU was not "supposed" to start 4-0. LSU was the most unpredictable team as far as expectations in pre-season due to the overhaul of the program. Pay attention to football my baw.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:59 am to RelentlessTide
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Kelly has righted the ship, but he needs to show up in big-time games.
Agreed
And he will @ LSU
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:05 am to DawginSC
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Again, being favored because you lost the first game that you were supposed to win is not a positive factor for LSU's coaching.
LSU was favored in the pre-season over MSU. They became a dog because of Kelly losing game 1.
By this token, should LSU beat Auburn, you will count that as a "big win" for Kelly because they were projected to lose that game in the preseason.
Meanwhile, reasonable people will simply see that as LSU just winning a game that they should have.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:08 am to DawginSC
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If you're expected to be a 9-3 team
Who expected thar? LSU was picked for bottom or near bottom of west?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:13 am to wadewilson
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Who expected thar? LSU was picked for bottom or near bottom of west?
I believe ESPN FPI.
Dude puts a lot of stock into that, but only the preseason projections.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:17 am to DawginSC
Preseason expectations of SEC West:
si.com - MSU ahead of LSU
The preseason had predictions all over the place. The MSU game was a toss-up preseason and MSU was favored the week of.
si.com - MSU ahead of LSU
The preseason had predictions all over the place. The MSU game was a toss-up preseason and MSU was favored the week of.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:02 am to SidewalkTiger
Wow.......
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:05 am to SidewalkTiger
I haven't watched enough of Billy yet. Did watch tenn game.
I give kelly a B
Team is playing with attitude and teamwork for first time since 2019. Last 2 years seemed not enough team and more "me"
I give kelly a B
Team is playing with attitude and teamwork for first time since 2019. Last 2 years seemed not enough team and more "me"
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:12 am to BornAndRaised_LA
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Preseason expectations of SEC West:
si.com - MSU ahead of LSU
The preseason had predictions all over the place. The MSU game was a toss-up preseason and MSU was favored the week of.
Flippo?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:13 pm to TigerinKorea
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You know this as an absolute certainty? Lol.
"But Pawl, LSU ain't played nobody!"
Ok, name another SEC West team Miss St will finish ahead of.
Alabama
Arkansas
Ole Miss
Texas A&M
The only team I could see them finishing ahead of is Auburn, and even that is not certain.
So unless you think LSU is going to finish below them, then name the SEC West team.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:16 pm to 3down10
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The only team I could see them finishing ahead of is Auburn, and even that is not certain.
You can't see them finishing over anyone else?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:18 pm to diddlydawg7
Personally I'm giving Napier and his staff of minions an A. Really love they stuff they're doing the SEC this year.
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