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re: What direction is Auburn's football program trending?
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:21 am to TexasAg13
Posted on 11/10/21 at 8:21 am to TexasAg13
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But that's beside the point. Do you feel good about the direction of your program? Recruiting is the lifeblood of programs and it seems Harsin doesn't have it on the trail
You do understand that recruiting is mostly about building relationships and begins with a lot of these top prospects in their sophomore year of HS? An entirely new staff, starting in January, when there were still COVID restrictions in place and they were just supposed to immediately put together a top 10 class? That's just an unreasonable expectation. Even the FSU team you just praised for their recruiting class this year, finished 22nd last year in Norvell's first year.
So you are going to have to wait a year to see what Harsin is actually capable of on the recruiting trail. We have plenty of positive feedback from highly ranked prospects from the '23 class so far. Also, I think the transfer portal is going to really help teams like Auburn out. It is not a long term solution, but being able to pick up quality starters to plug in holes next to the 4 stars we already have is going to help keep teams like Auburn relevant year to year IMO. I think it has a bigger impact on the teams that don't recruit quite at an elite level, more so than a team that is already loaded with 5 star talent. We got a bunch of guys in the transfer portal this last year on defense and I think it is obvious to see that is paying off for us this year.
The biggest issue Auburn currently has is our offensive line. That was the difference in the game against A&M on Saturday, and continues to be the biggest issue we have every time we face an elite defensive line, like UGA, A&M, and Bama have. It prevents us from being able to run the ball, and we know what happens to Bo when he is pressured consistently. That is going to take some time to fix, but so far I think Harsin has exceeded most people's expectation for this year and is making the most out of what was left for him.
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Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:16 am to ATLtiger12
Most quality coaches / recruiters get a first year bump. Not only has that not happened with Harsin, but Auburn's recruiting is at historically bad levels. Y'alls ranking is 13 of 14 in the SEC for 2022 recruiting, and don't lead for one uncommitted 4 star.
Auburn is falling behind.
Auburn is falling behind.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:36 am to TexasAg13
quote:Is there some data that shows this? It may be true, but doesn’t seem to track reason when you consider recruiting is about building relationships and trust.
Most quality coaches / recruiters get a first year bump.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:38 am to WDE24
LINK
Old article, but still relevant. It's very much a thing
Old article, but still relevant. It's very much a thing
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While recruiting bumps were seen across every AQ conference, the more noteworthy leaps were typically seen after coaching changes at historically successful programs.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 9:39 am
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:43 am to TexasAg13
Kind of sad how hard Aggie fans are trying to convince themselves of this
Posted on 11/10/21 at 9:46 am to TexasAg13
quote:Sure. A historical program that has been down in the recruiting rankings will more likely have a rebound with a new staff. I’m not sure how relevant that is to Auburn situation where it’s former coach was worse at coaching than recruiting and kept the program in decent shape based on recruiting rankings.
the more noteworthy leaps were typically seen after coaching changes at historically successful programs
Either way, time will tell if Harsin is able to recruit well enough to stay competitive in the SEC west. It appears he has the coaching chops, but that isn’t enough with the schedule AU plays every year.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 11:12 am to TexasAg13
quote:obviously you haven't followed AU recruiting very long
but Auburn's recruiting is at historically bad levels
THIS is a 'historically bad' class
Posted on 11/10/21 at 11:18 am to FearlessFreep
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AU signed 9 of its 19 recruits in the 2021 cycle after Malzahn was dismissed.
These recruits raised AU’s overall points on the 247 composite scale to 224, good for 19th place. Without them, they would have 156 points, good for a high 70s-low 80s ranking.
And you're an idiot if you think Auburn's previous staff didn't play a large role in it.
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Harsin was hired on 12/22/20.
NSD was 2/3/21.
My bad, I was going off someone talking about 2 weeks before ESD. Still the point remains, if he was able to do so much in short time last season, what's with the disappointing recruiting this year?
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Shame on me for once thinking you were intelligent.
I don't think about you.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 11/10/21 at 11:23 am to Hayt
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Well, genius it's the 1st of November and he's taken the 2022 class, which was not very well addressed by Gus either from the 70s to the 30s and we still have over a month until early signing day and 3 months until signing day. This won't be a banner class, but again...what the frick does a top-10 class matter when the better recruits never touch the field?
Nowhere did I ever claim he was a great recruiter, I'm just pointing out he's not nearly as bad as some of you mental midgets make him out to be.
It's the 10th of November and Alabama doesn't have a single recruit committed to next years class. In fact, only 35 teams have at least one recruit.
But sure, blame this years class on Malzhan, but claim last years class was Harsin.
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And if he can't recruit long-term? He will be dismissed and we will hire another coach. Pretty simple.
Did you forget this started because I said he would be gone in 3 years and that apparently triggered you?
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 11:24 am
Posted on 11/10/21 at 11:25 am to FearlessFreep
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obviously you haven't followed AU recruiting very long
THIS is a 'historically bad' class
So your comparison is a class from 23 years ago?
I think you are kind of making his point without realizing it.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 1:00 pm to 3down10
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But sure, blame this years class on Malzhan,
You need to check your meds. I NEVER blamed this year's class (2022) class on Malzahn. I simply stated that signing day wasn't until December and February. You must have me confused with somebody else.
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Did you forget this started because I said he would be gone in 3 years and that apparently triggered you?
Again, check the meds.
I am just puzzled why you feel SO strongly about this particular Auburn coach? There must be some backstory. I've been an Auburn fan since 1991 and I can't say I've ever cared as much as you do about an Alabama coach as you seem to about Harsin.
What's your obsession?
Posted on 11/10/21 at 1:18 pm to Hayt
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You need to check your meds. I NEVER blamed this year's class (2022) class on Malzahn. I simply stated that signing day wasn't until December and February. You must have me confused with somebody else.
Ok fine, then what is your excuse for this years class?
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Again, check the meds.
Or check the posts. All I did was answer the OP, and you got upset because I said he would be gone in 3 years.
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I am just puzzled why you feel SO strongly about this particular Auburn coach? There must be some backstory. I've been an Auburn fan since 1991 and I can't say I've ever cared as much as you do about an Alabama coach as you seem to about Harsin.
What's your obsession?
If you think I feel "so strongly" about it, then it's probably because you feel so strongly about it. I merely have an existing opinion on him because before I came to this forum and started posting, I posted on a forum towards all conferences and dealt with "We don't get enough respect and things are rigged against us Boise St fans". 90% of them did disappear within a few years of Harsin being hired.
As I said, he shut Boise St fans up, so if anything I kind of like him for that reason. Also on a personal level, I think I'd like him as well.
So I'll say it again. He was at basically the top G5 program and inherited a program and culture that cares about winning and puts in the effort for recruiting and so on. With all those advantages, he will could not even maintain the level before him, and he failed to get it done most years.
Now you are taking that same coach and asking him to compete in the SEC, recruit opposite Nick Saban and Kirby Smart and thinking he's going to somehow get better results. I mean it's possible, people can learn from their mistakes. But I'm firmly putting my money against it.
The rest is all responding to Auburn fans who get mad because someone thinks their new coach is going to be a bust.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 11/10/21 at 1:28 pm to 3down10
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Ok fine, then what is your excuse for this years class?
I haven't made an excuse for this years class. He's gotten off a slow start. He fired one of his better recruiters 4 games in because of clear problems with that position.
Relationships start when some of these kids are in 8th grade. Yes this will be "his" class but the roots and relationships go much deeper and that takes time to foster. Nobody is willing to throw him out because his first two classes were below average, especially when there's been clear improvement in the culture and on the field.
That being said, there are still 3+ months until early signing day and we only have 13 commits. Not like we have 27 2*s signed. Plenty of time to go from 34 to top-20 again. That will have to get better moving forward, but a slow start certainly isn't unusual for a guy who is essentially new to the SE and hasn't built the relationships nor have many of the HS players seen his product on the field.
You seem to be a lot more concerned about it than any other Auburn person that I know.
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and you got upset because I said he would be gone in 3 years.
Negative. I'm judging you based on months and months of critical posts about Harsin when even the most hardened Updykes here are starting to come around on him and giving him even the tiniest amount of credit.
Even autistic Lefty has laid off of him.
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 11/10/21 at 1:51 pm to Hayt
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I haven't made an excuse for this years class.
Ok.
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Relationships start when some of these kids are in 8th grade. Yes this will be "his" class but the roots and relationships go much deeper and that takes time to foster. Nobody is willing to throw him out because his first two classes were below average, especially when there's been clear improvement in the culture and on the field.
That being said, there are still 3+ months until early signing day and we only have 13 commits. Not like we have 27 2*s signed. Plenty of time to go from 34 to top-20 again. That will have to get better moving forward, but a slow start certainly isn't unusual for a guy who is essentially new to the SE and hasn't built the relationships nor have many of the HS players seen his product on the field.
You seem to be a lot more concerned about it than any other Auburn person that I know.
But now you have.
Many things "could" happen. But I'd say that you are shooting for "top20" pretty much speaks for itself.
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Negative. I'm judging you based on months and months of critical posts about Harsin when even the most hardened Updykes here are starting to come around on him and giving him even the tiniest amount of credit.
Even autistic Lefty has laid off of him.
Why would my opinion change when nothing has happened to change it? I'm already familiar with him, this isn't the first time I've seen him coach.
The talent he is working with now are from classes ranked in the top12.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 3:44 pm to 3down10
I think their class now is in the 50's with Harsin.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 5:12 pm to OBTIGER 1
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I think their class now is in the 50's with Harsin.
34 on 24/7 last I looked.
They are usually top12 up to like 7, maybe even 6 one year.
Maybe there is a bus of 4 and 5 stars on the way, but I'll be surprised.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 5:17 pm to 3down10
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But now you have.
No. You said I was blaming it on Gus, which I have not. Facts aren't an excuse.
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But I'd say that you are shooting for "top20" pretty much speaks for itself.
You are so off-balance dude
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Why would my opinion change when nothing has happened to change it?
It won't. Even him winning out this year and beating Alabama won't change your mind.
Posted on 11/10/21 at 5:18 pm to 3down10
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They are usually top12 up to like 7, maybe even 6 one year.
How did those classes work out for Gus?
It's almost like you actually have to develop players once you sign them, huh?
Posted on 11/10/21 at 5:23 pm to 3down10
quote:This time last year we still had Gustav and that kick-arse recruiting staff you have been praising, we were 4-2 and ranked #23. What did our recruiting ranking look like then?
My bad, I was going off someone talking about 2 weeks before ESD. Still the point remains, if he was able to do so much in short time last season, what's with the disappointing recruiting this year?
quote:obviously
I don't think about you
This post was edited on 11/10/21 at 5:27 pm
Posted on 11/10/21 at 5:59 pm to ATLtiger12
The guy lost road games to two top 15 teams and at home to the #1 ranked team. That’s hardly embarrassing and he also has some good wins @LSU & Arkansas and vs Ole Miss.
I think he’s way more prepared than any coach Auburn has had since maybe Tubberville.
Recruiting will come with winning and they look way more polished than the last few years. I’d be optimistic if I was an AU fan. He’s not as goofy but he looks a lots more Dabo like than Malzahn esque
I think he’s way more prepared than any coach Auburn has had since maybe Tubberville.
Recruiting will come with winning and they look way more polished than the last few years. I’d be optimistic if I was an AU fan. He’s not as goofy but he looks a lots more Dabo like than Malzahn esque
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