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re: Virginia to the SEC? What do they bring to the table?
Posted on 4/2/13 at 11:31 am to MetArl15
Posted on 4/2/13 at 11:31 am to MetArl15
It's sounds really cool and I would think to some extent that y'all would fit in with us very well the only thing that seems to be a deterrent would be where the school wants to be academically and where that aligns best, either the B1G or SEC, but I truly hope that they would join given the opportunity because I do think they would add a lot to the conference.
I been to a few horse races in my time and I have loved them all, so yeah, Foxfield would definitely be something I'd like to experience one day.
I been to a few horse races in my time and I have loved them all, so yeah, Foxfield would definitely be something I'd like to experience one day.
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Posted on 4/2/13 at 11:34 am to Al Bundy Bulldog
Meh. Give me UNC instead.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 11:39 am to USMC Gators
Why can't we have both? 
We do need TWO MORE teams to make 16.
We do need TWO MORE teams to make 16.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 11:50 am to Cheese Grits
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Massive endowment
AAU school
VA markets
pair for adding UNC (better than adding UNC + Dook)
good baseball
good basketball before Duke got hot with coach K
Flagship for state of VA
Rival for Ole Miss in the east for fancy tailgating
Slive is a UVA alumni
"up yours" to B1G as Delaney covets them
I can think of some more but that is all I have right now.
You understand this realignment game, it is not a about good football teams - we have those. These really are 100 year decisions.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 11:55 am to McRebel42
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Why can't we have both?
We do need TWO MORE teams to make 16.
UNC and NCSU.
My choices would be Clemson and FSU, but that's obviously not realistic.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 12:06 pm to Dr RC
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it ads nothing athletically but research money dwarfs what schools make in sports. The Big 10 has the CIC which brings in big time money.
This is the B1G approach to realignment personified. Basically, "we can't compete in sports -- so let's find something that we can."
I'd love someone to point me to somewhere showing that research money is granted on the basis of athletic conference alignment -- and not on the basis of individual institutional merits? It seems to me to be a well-purported myth at this point.
Fact is -- both UNC and UVA are two of the best-funded research universities in the country(particularly UNC). This doesn't change regardless of whether they enter the SEC or B1G.
Research funding(2009) in millions
This post was edited on 4/2/13 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 4/2/13 at 12:22 pm to engie
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I'd love someone to point me to somewhere showing that research money is granted on the basis of athletic conference alignment -- and not on the basis of individual institutional merits? It seems to me to be a well-purported myth at this point.
Fact is -- both UNC and UVA are two of the best-funded research universities in the country(particularly UNC). This doesn't change regardless of whether they enter the SEC or B1G
UNC and UVA will both remain up there for research money that is true. However, being associated with other big research schools for collaborative efforts is a large advantage when looking for funding.
The Big 10's CIC is currently more powerful than the SEC's SECU. That is an honest to goodness selling point in conference realignment. Right now you have a better chance of getting awarded research funding and collaborating with like minded institutions by being associated with the CIC. Like it or not its a factor in where schools are picking to go.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 12:29 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Unfortunately I'm not too surprised OP is a Mississippi State fan (graduate?). What would UVA bring to the table? Uh, well, maybe ACADEMICS. That may seem trivial to you, but these are UNIVERSITIES we are talking about, and the whole reason those entities exist is to provide an education, not to field sports teams that sidewalk alums can brag about.
UVA is - along with Michigan and UCLA - arguably the second best public university in the country behind UC Berkeley. The answer to this - even before considering the DC market and their athletic department budget - should be obvious.
UVA is - along with Michigan and UCLA - arguably the second best public university in the country behind UC Berkeley. The answer to this - even before considering the DC market and their athletic department budget - should be obvious.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 12:39 pm to engie
UVA just from the sports angle
Their AD played basketball for Penn and graduated Wharton's with an ECON degree
M Soccer - 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, and 2009
currently only UK and USC play this sport in CUSA so adding UNC and UVA would be 4 of 8 SEC east teams
M Lacrosse - 1972, 1999, 2003, 2006, and 2011
UK has Rifle, VU has bowling, so UVA can dominate this from the SEC
W Lacrosse - 1991, 1993, and 2004
UK has Rifle, VU has bowling, so UVA can dominate this from the SEC
W Cross Country - 1981 and 1982
SEC excels at things involving running
W Rowing - 2010 and 2012
Bama has a rowing team so an excuse for fraternity / sorority rowing parties
M Boxing - 1938
LSU has a boxing NC as well
M Basketball - Final Four in 1981 and 1984
would probably flourish in SEC without Terps and Dook
Arena can hold 15,000 which would be good for selling out SEC east games
W Basketball - Final Four 1990, 1991, and 1992
Should do well in SEC
M Football - Stadium seats can hold 62,000 (which is about half of what Duke holds)
3 major rivals are:
Maryland, headed to B1G
North Carolina, B1G or SEC possible (South's Oldest Rivalry)
Virginia Tech, not likely to get a B1G bid based on no AAU membership (Commonwealth Cup)
M Baseball - Stadium seats ~ 5,000 | CWS trips in 2009 and 2011
Their AD played basketball for Penn and graduated Wharton's with an ECON degree
M Soccer - 1989, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, and 2009
currently only UK and USC play this sport in CUSA so adding UNC and UVA would be 4 of 8 SEC east teams
M Lacrosse - 1972, 1999, 2003, 2006, and 2011
UK has Rifle, VU has bowling, so UVA can dominate this from the SEC
W Lacrosse - 1991, 1993, and 2004
UK has Rifle, VU has bowling, so UVA can dominate this from the SEC
W Cross Country - 1981 and 1982
SEC excels at things involving running
W Rowing - 2010 and 2012
Bama has a rowing team so an excuse for fraternity / sorority rowing parties
M Boxing - 1938
LSU has a boxing NC as well
M Basketball - Final Four in 1981 and 1984
would probably flourish in SEC without Terps and Dook
Arena can hold 15,000 which would be good for selling out SEC east games
W Basketball - Final Four 1990, 1991, and 1992
Should do well in SEC
M Football - Stadium seats can hold 62,000 (which is about half of what Duke holds)
3 major rivals are:
Maryland, headed to B1G
North Carolina, B1G or SEC possible (South's Oldest Rivalry)
Virginia Tech, not likely to get a B1G bid based on no AAU membership (Commonwealth Cup)
M Baseball - Stadium seats ~ 5,000 | CWS trips in 2009 and 2011
This post was edited on 4/2/13 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 4/2/13 at 12:42 pm to Cheese Grits
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M Football - Stadium seats can hold 62,000 (which is about what Duke holds)
Wallace Wade Stadium only holds just under 34k though Duke is planning to bring that up to 43k with upgrades.
This post was edited on 4/2/13 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 4/2/13 at 12:49 pm to Dr RC
Dr RC,
Thanks for catching that. I knew Duke usually draws in the 20's even tho the capacity is over 30K. Left the half part out of that sentence.
Thanks for catching that. I knew Duke usually draws in the 20's even tho the capacity is over 30K. Left the half part out of that sentence.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 12:53 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
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What do they bring to the table?
A long road trip for traveling fans. Charlottesville is pretty much in the middle of nowhere, much like PSU. But very beautiful country, much PSU.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 12:57 pm to thefloydian
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I love it when people start talking academics on a college football board.
I love it when people don't understand that conference expansion is about a whole lot more than simply football.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 12:59 pm to Cheese Grits
I figured that must have been an honest mistake b/c that's pretty big discrepancy.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 1:01 pm to Crowknowsbest
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This is about an association of universities. Academics should theoretically be the main goal, even if they play each other in sports. I know that's not realistic at some schools in the south. That should not be viewed as a positive thing, imo, and it's exactly the reason why most people at UVA want nothing to do with the SEC.
If the SEC front office wanted to improve the academic reputation of the conference, they would simply increase admission standards for incoming athletes. Accepting AAU schools into the conference won't improve each of the member institutions' standings in the academic community just because they play ball together.
But that's not what the SEC really wants to do. What they want to do is increase revenue. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, it's just that I don't buy into all the bullshite they throw out there about improving academic reputation when considering adding other schools.
Just increase admission standards for athletes - it's that simple. No one wants to have their scholars compete in athletics with a bunch of kids that have been admitted based on their athletic prowess alone, and who are marginally literate. THAT'S the Big(x)'s, and the Pac(x)'s concern: STUDENT/athletes competing on a level playing field.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 1:03 pm to VABuckeye
I agree. Plus (I don't have the article at hand) Slive stressed the academic improvement of conference with A&M and Mizzou additions.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 1:04 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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If the SEC front office wanted to improve the academic reputation of the conference, they would simply increase admission standards for incoming athletes.
Incorrect. Making it tougher for your athletes does nothing for academic reputation. The schools have to want to improve their academic reputation and that is done by raising the standards for all incoming students and improving the quality of the education they receive overall.
And yes, I understand that SEC schools have specific programs that rival those of any university in the country but overall they do not. I'm not including Florida, A&M, Vanderbilt or UGA in this statement.
This post was edited on 4/2/13 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 4/2/13 at 1:07 pm to engie
The Big 1G CIC matters and the SEC is trying to do the same. It matters for actual dollars but even moreso for reputation. Simply being a Big 1G school is an asset.
The bigger deal though is the AAU. Add UNC and UVA and the SEC is going to be able to get some more schools in the AAU. Why? The AAU is a frat, you have to get voted in. Look at a school like UGA which honestly should be AAU but isn't. Up until a couple years ago all they had as "sponsors" were Vandy and UF from the SEC and maybe Emory. Now they have those schools plus A&M and Mizzou as well as GTech is now a member. Add in UNC and UVA which are the 2 most prestigious public schools on the East Coast and suddenly UGA has as many as 8 advocates working for them. The AAU is in the process of weeding out some old members to replace them with new ones and this is the perfect time to take advantage of it. Make no mistake, AAU status is HUGE for a University.
Also, as I stated before UVA may not have much of a football history but that is because they didn't care. If they ever decided they wanted to take football seriously though? You are talking about a prestigious school with almost unlimited funds and a fertile recruiting base. In 5 years or less they could be a power if they chose to. VT and NC State simply don't have those kinds of resources. If they don't though they are a huge add in the other athletic areas and probably push the rest of the SEC to expand their AD's into new sports.
In short, schools like UVA and UNC truly ADD something new to the SEC.
The bigger deal though is the AAU. Add UNC and UVA and the SEC is going to be able to get some more schools in the AAU. Why? The AAU is a frat, you have to get voted in. Look at a school like UGA which honestly should be AAU but isn't. Up until a couple years ago all they had as "sponsors" were Vandy and UF from the SEC and maybe Emory. Now they have those schools plus A&M and Mizzou as well as GTech is now a member. Add in UNC and UVA which are the 2 most prestigious public schools on the East Coast and suddenly UGA has as many as 8 advocates working for them. The AAU is in the process of weeding out some old members to replace them with new ones and this is the perfect time to take advantage of it. Make no mistake, AAU status is HUGE for a University.
Also, as I stated before UVA may not have much of a football history but that is because they didn't care. If they ever decided they wanted to take football seriously though? You are talking about a prestigious school with almost unlimited funds and a fertile recruiting base. In 5 years or less they could be a power if they chose to. VT and NC State simply don't have those kinds of resources. If they don't though they are a huge add in the other athletic areas and probably push the rest of the SEC to expand their AD's into new sports.
In short, schools like UVA and UNC truly ADD something new to the SEC.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 1:07 pm to Al Bundy Bulldog
Phillip Sims. Welcome back if that happens.
Posted on 4/2/13 at 1:09 pm to aggressor
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In short, schools like UVA and UNC truly ADD something new to the SEC.
That would be huge but I don't know if they would come if the ACC fell apart.
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