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re: UGA just bootyclapped UCF in basketball 114-76
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:00 am to GatorsGators
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:00 am to GatorsGators
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so why did you guys push Mark Fox out
because he fricking sucks?
Look at what he's done to Cal's program
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Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:03 am to mistaken4193
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mistaken4193
Furthermore...
Top 100 players to play at UF under Mike White:
The one's who committed under Donovan are in bold
Brandone Francis
Devin Robinson
Chris Chiozza
Kevarrius Hayes
Kevaughn Allen
Andrew Nembhard
Keyontae Johnson
Scottie Lewis
Tre Mann
Omar Payne
Samson Ruhentsev
Colin Castleton
Kerry Blackshear
Kowacie Reeves
Myreon Jones
So tell me again how "most" of the talent came from Donovan?
This post was edited on 10/30/24 at 11:13 am
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:06 am to GatorsGators
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Hill, Allen, Chiozza, Robinson, Egbunu, and Hayes were all Donovan guys.
Kevaughn Allen committed a month after Donovan left. He decommitted then White got him to come back. I'm sure you will say he shouldn't get any credit for that though
This post was edited on 10/30/24 at 11:08 am
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:09 am to diddlydawg7
I was really hoping Cal would bring Cyril to Fayetteville. 
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:15 am to diddlydawg7
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So tell me again how "most" of the talent came from Donovan?
You bolded the talent.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:20 am to diddlydawg7
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Kevaughn Allen
Andrew Nembhard
Keyontae Johnson
Scottie Lewis
Tre Mann
Omar Payne
Samson Ruhentsev
Colin Castleton
Kerry Blackshear
Kowacie Reeves
Myreon Jones
This is a list of the top100 talent that Mike White recruited while at UF.
What did he do with all thise talent? How much of it was on that team that made it to the Elite 8, the only season that he could really hang his hat on?
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:25 am to Partha
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What did he do with all thise talent? How much of it was on that team that made it to the Elite 8, the only season that he could really hang his hat on?
So you’re totally missing the point. Did you read the conversation?
The guy said that Mike White had all sorts of talent at UF but underperformed with them
I pointed out that even if he did underperform, he deserves credit for bringing that talent in in the first place, as recruiting is part of coaching.
He countered by saying that most of his talent came from Donovan anyways, which is clearly not the case.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:28 am to diddlydawg7
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So you’re totally missing the point.
I am not missing your point. I understood and have said Mike White is a solid to very good recruiter. Maybe even a great recruiter.
My point is that while he, to his credit, assembled talent to UF, it is pretty interesting that the only squad that he was able to do anything with are from Donovan's players.
He was unable to do anything with all top talent he recruited.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:33 am to Clark14
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who knew ucf had a basketball team….
Tacko Fall
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:35 am to Dawgsontop34
There's never been any legitimate reason for Georgia to not be at least competent in basketball.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 11:41 am to Partha
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it is pretty interesting that the only squad that he was able to do anything with are from Donovan's players.
I think it’s highly disingenuous to say that he did it with Donovan players when 2 of the top 3 scorers on that team were his players.
And even the one’s who committed under Donovan had spent 2 years developing under White before they reached that point.
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He was unable to do anything with all top talent he recruited.
I think you’re laboring under the delusion that I’m advocating for Mike White to be considered some kind of HOF coach.
I’m simply addressing multiple points in this thread that seem to be unfair or incorrect.
My thoughts on Mike White in this thread are as follows
• He objectively has the best résumé of any coach in UF history not named Billy Donovan
• You can’t simultaneously blame him for wasting talent while not giving him credit for bringing that talent in.
• Maybe he is a shitty strategist, but it’s better to be a shitty strategist with 5-stars than 3-stars
• He is not by any measure an “awful coach”
He probably should’ve done better with his teams, given the talent level, but I think it’s ridiculous how some people like to pretend that coaches just magically get their players.
This post was edited on 10/30/24 at 11:45 am
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:02 pm to diddlydawg7
Good to great recruiter.
Average to below average in every other category.
Being a great recruiter sets him up to fail unfortunately since he can't deliver on naturally high expectations of having a talented roster.
Average to below average in every other category.
Being a great recruiter sets him up to fail unfortunately since he can't deliver on naturally high expectations of having a talented roster.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:06 pm to diddlydawg7
quote:I am giving him credit for bringing in the talent. I've said he's a good recruiter.
• You can’t simultaneously blame him for wasting talent while not giving him credit for bringing that talent in.
He also did not do much with the talent, which is a legit criticism.
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• Maybe he is a shitty strategist, but it’s better to be a shitty strategist with 5-stars than 3-stars
• He is not by any measure an “awful coach”
I also agree and have said that he's not an awful coach. I don't think anyone besides that one Bama fan did say he was awful.
What I said is he's disappointing because he'll bring in talent and start off years strong and then fizzle out as the season goes on.
He did it at UGA last year: started the season 14-5 and ended up 20-17 as a NIT team.
Not awful but frustrating in that he builds up expectations and then fizzles out. Has happened every year he's been a SEC coach except the one year he went to the Elite 8 with a large part of his roster being Billy Donovan players.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:14 pm to SM1010
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Being a great recruiter sets him up to fail unfortunately since he can't deliver on naturally high expectations of having a talented roster.
This is what I’m talking about. It makes zero sense. Recruiting is part of coaching. Arguably the biggest part.
If things were reversed you’d say he’s a pretty good X and Os guy but held the program back because he couldn’t bring in top talent.
At the end of the day it’s about results.
I think reaching an Elite 8 and winning a tournament game in 4 out of 6 years with no losing seasons is pretty solid.
I would love for him to do that at UGA, and I don’t care if he does it by dragging 5-stars through the season or squeezing everything he can out of 3-stars
Your entire argument is that it’s better to go 20-10 with no talent than lots of talent. Who cares?
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:21 pm to diddlydawg7
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So tell me again how "most" of the talent came from Donovan?
I mean this post makes Mike White look even worse.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:30 pm to Partha
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I am giving him credit for bringing in the talent. I've said he's a good recruiter.
I wasn’t saying that in response to you. I was literally just listing what I’ve specifically said about Mike White in this thread
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He also did not do much with the talent
Once again, I’ve never said otherwise. You’re looking for an argument that doesn’t exist.
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He did it at UGA last year: started the season 14-5
At that point we were #69 in Torvik, #78 in NET and we were considered out of basically every bracketology
It was an encouraging start, but it’s not like anyone was hyping us up outside of some UGA fans
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ended up 20-17 as a NIT team.
Finished #65 in Torvik (higher than our supposed peak), with our best record since 2016 and our best finish since 2014.
How is that a disappointment?
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:31 pm to mistaken4193
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I mean this post makes Mike White look even worse.
Explain why.
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:32 pm to diddlydawg7
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It was removed by the dumbfrick mods
it's Smokeyone
he deleted two of my threads this morning
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:38 pm to GatorsGators
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you're probably counting guys like Chiozza and Devin Robinson "White recruits"
what have you got against white guys?
you fricking racist
Posted on 10/30/24 at 12:39 pm to diddlydawg7
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Once again, I’ve never said otherwise. You’re looking for an argument that doesn’t exist.
I'm not trying to argue with you. Just making some points just like you are making some points.
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