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re: UF QB Treon Harris investigated for sexual assault, UF Statement in OP
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:50 pm to the808bass
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:50 pm to the808bass
wouldn't surprise me if that's how this plays out... not charged but never plays for UF again.
regardless of whether he ends up being charged, the dude made a stupid, stupid decision(s) that can/will impact the rest of his life, or at least his college career.
regardless of whether he ends up being charged, the dude made a stupid, stupid decision(s) that can/will impact the rest of his life, or at least his college career.
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Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:51 pm to Acadien
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Exactly. We all love football, but get some perspective - this kid is accused of sexual assault. If it turns out he's being victimized by a false accuser, then that needs to be punished accordingly. But you don't let the accused go on, business as usual, when that kind of accusation is hanging over his head.
This isn't a court of law. He doesn't get due process. Playing football isn't a right. The University did the right thing.
It just makes sense to do it this way rather that the Seminole route. If the story is found to have merit then you were proactive in protecting your school. If the story is found to be false then you get to bring the kid back into the fold, going a small ways to repairing their image, and show that you will always take these situations with the greatest seriousness. It's a win-win.
If you keep the player on the team and just ride it out then you look like you don't really care about your student bodies safety either way the case goes.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:51 pm to Acadien
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This isn't a court of law. He doesn't get due process. Playing football isn't a right. The University did the right thing.
With a daughter in college this kind of crap enrages me. But you are correct this is the proper way for the University to handle the accusation. Football be damn athletes need to learn to act like normal people.
This will ultimately be a black eye for Fisher and the AD at Free Shoe U.-
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:53 pm to lowspark12
There's another possibility; he didn't do anything wrong other than get drunk with someone else and they fricked and she's now pissed. Funny how a man can be accused and be deemed guilty until proven innocent.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:54 pm to Loathor
quote:Suspending him isn't an issue. That should be protocol when there's an investigation going on. And GPD starting to investigate the matter immediately should be too. The situation just makes me uneasy when our president, who never misses an opportunity to grandstand, releases a statement saying sexual assault has no place on our campus without mentioning anywhere 'our priority is determining what happened'.
This is what should be done every time. This isn't a court of law. If there is even the chance that something like this happened you have to remove the kid in question until everything is known. Not doing so is asinine.
He released a statement on sexual assault but as a university president over thousands of students, his job is to determine the truth of what happened.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:54 pm to crazyLSUfan
You are reading too much into Treon then. He only knows a fraction of the play book. This is not the nail in the coffin moment. Of course I didn't think you believed that Boom was responsible. It's just not what is going to end his time at UF.
Annointing Treon the savior of Boom is way premature and now even more so. He'll be fired because he failed to get an offense staff and offensive recruits that could produce. That's about it.
Annointing Treon the savior of Boom is way premature and now even more so. He'll be fired because he failed to get an offense staff and offensive recruits that could produce. That's about it.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:54 pm to the808bass
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He could not be charged and still kicked out of school.
Yep. This is what we did to Paulk - an RB who was redshirting. He hit his girl. One of the Berry Bros (Eric's younger twin bros) saw him and jerked him away from her. She refused to press charges despite her lip being busted. The event happened Sunday Morning and he was dismissed Monday Morning.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:55 pm to bengalbait
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With a daughter in college this kind of crap enrages me.
This is a huge element I think a lot of people can't grasp. They know Treon or Jameis. They know what they look like. They've cheered for him.
The victim is faceless, largely anonymous. The victim is the reason your school is getting bad press, or the reason your football team lost a critical contributor. Why is the victim doing this to the player/team you love? This isn't fair.
The victim is somebody's daughter. She's a person too. She matters. Her accusation is just as valid as the accused's denial. It needs to be investigated and taken seriously.
Again, props to UF.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:56 pm to bengalbait
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Football be damn athletes need to learn to act like normal people.
I literally know nothing of what's going on. Has he admitted to raping someone?
Or does an accusation, solely, make it okay to take away a young man's future?
We must protect the poor defenseless women even if it unnecessarily ruins a man's life in the process!
It's not a criminal proceeding? Well that's cool. At least we know that no actual EVIDENCE will be used to bring him down. Just he-said/she-said and, in the case of all things sexual, we will always assume the girl is a victim and the guy is a piece of shite.
He very well may have raped her. But it seems awfully premature to ruin his future just because she SAID he raped her. If there's been a confession, I'll take that back. Otherwise, it would seem that people are making a hasty decision without a proper investigation.
Just because a college currently operates under a different standard than criminal investigations doesn't make it right.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:57 pm to dallasga6
Huntley defends all the players. He's pretty good at it.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:59 pm to cornhat
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Suspending him isn't an issue. That should be protocol when there's an investigation going on. And GPD starting to investigate the matter immediately should be too. The situation just makes me uneasy when our president, who never misses an opportunity to grandstand, releases a statement saying sexual assault has no place on our campus without mentioning anywhere 'our priority is determining what happened'.
He released a statement on sexual assault but as a university president over thousands of students, his job is to determine the truth of what happened.
What do you want him to say then? "Rape is bad, guys... but we're going to make sure she wasn't asking for it first?" How exactly would you word that? "No comment." wouldn't go over well for long.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 12:59 pm to Acadien
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The victim is somebody's daughter. She's a person too. She matters. Her accusation is just as valid as the accused's denial. It needs to be investigated and taken seriously.
Then she should be suspended from any extra-curricular activities as well. She says he raped her; he says she's filing a false claim of rape. They're both accused of committing a crime, right?
But in reality we'll continue to make false rape claims a completely (99% of the time) non-punishable offense. NOT SAYING SHE'S LYING, just that if she WANTED to lie she wouldn't have any fear of repercussions coming her way.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:00 pm to Wtodd
quote:If it was Missouri he likely wouldn't be kicked out of school in the first place. Just like that running back wasn't kicked out until his rape/ sexual assault count got close to double figures
Then transfer to Auburn
This post was edited on 10/6/14 at 1:01 pm
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:00 pm to ocelot4ark
when you get drunk and have sex with a stranger, you're opening the door for something bad to happen... granted, a false SA charge is on the extreme end, but regardless... you have to make better choices. and i'm not saying i didn't do it either when i was 19/20/21... but it was stupid then and is stupid now.
he made a decision... he'll now have to live with it.
he made a decision... he'll now have to live with it.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:01 pm to ocelot4ark
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He very well may have raped her. But it seems awfully premature to ruin his future just because she SAID he raped her. If there's been a confession, I'll take that back. Otherwise, it would seem that people are making a hasty decision without a proper investigation.
It's football, man. Where does football rank in the scheme of things compared to a possible sexual assault?
Its not even in the same fricking ballpark. If the accusation is false, he'll return to the University. But the accusation could potentially be true; why aren't you asking about the consequences on the victim's life?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:01 pm to Loathor
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What do you want him to say then? "Rape is bad, guys... but we're going to make sure she wasn't asking for it first?" How exactly would you word that? "No comment." wouldn't go over well for long.
This is what I thought up, as I type, with no corrections or editing...
"It came to our attention that one of our student athletes has been accused of a terrible crime. We want to assure the community that we value the rule of law on our campus and strive to make this a safe place where you can trust your students will be safe.
We will continue to strive to meet that burden, taking into account all facts and evidence as they are established during our investigation. We will work with law enforcement to ensure justice is served."
Didn't seem too hard...maybe 90 seconds of thought start to finish.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:03 pm to ocelot4ark
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I literally know nothing of what's going on. Has he admitted to raping someone?
Or does an accusation, solely, make it okay to take away a young man's future?
We must protect the poor defenseless women even if it unnecessarily ruins a man's life in the process!
It's not a criminal proceeding? Well that's cool. At least we know that no actual EVIDENCE will be used to bring him down. Just he-said/she-said and, in the case of all things sexual, we will always assume the girl is a victim and the guy is a piece of shite.
He very well may have raped her. But it seems awfully premature to ruin his future just because she SAID he raped her. If there's been a confession, I'll take that back. Otherwise, it would seem that people are making a hasty decision without a proper investigation.
Just because a college currently operates under a different standard than criminal investigations doesn't make it right.
It's hard, but a bruised reputation can be repaired. But if she was or wasn't raped then what kind of message are you sending to let them to continue to be a face for your university?
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:03 pm to auburnphan23
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If it was Missouri he likely wouldn't be kicked out of school in the first place. Just like that running back wasn't kicked out until his rape/ sexual assault count got close to double figures
You mean 2? Super close to double figures.
And I wish they'd kicked him on the first charge in hindsight. But the first charge was from a girl that he had an ongoing sexual relationship with. But, that's not a fun talking point. So let's ignore it.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:03 pm to Loathor
quote:I expect him to say somewhere 'The matter is being investigated' as well as
What do you want him to say then? "Rape is bad, guys... but we're going to make sure she wasn't asking for it first?" How exactly would you word that? "No comment." wouldn't go over well for long.
quote:That's a pretty comprehensive statement without a mention that it is an ongoing case. Just from previous experience with this president, I don't like how he's going about it. I don't have an issue with the investigation or suspension.
“We have no tolerance for sexual assault on our campus,” UF President Bernie Machen said. “The university is committed to providing a safe and inclusive environment for every member of the UF community. We must strive to protect all of our students from sexual harassment and assault, and do everything in our power to promote a safe learning environment.
Posted on 10/6/14 at 1:04 pm to cornhat
I don't care for Machen at all. He went a little too far but just barely.
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