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re: Top 5 Most Severe NCAA Football Penalties Handed Out & Ohio State
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:52 am to bamasgot13
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:52 am to bamasgot13
Alabama made some crappy hires trying to not only get out of the hole we were in, but to also do it cleanly. That's part of recovering from sanctions. You cant just go on business as usual, you have to go about it a certain way to make damn sure you stay 100% squeeky clean during the entire comeback, otherwise you get hit harder than before for shite that is no where near as bad.
You cant say that the sanctions didnt effect our coach hirings. Shula was hired for one purpose, to be the guy that kept the program afloat and stay clean until we could get back up to full potential and then bring in someone like Saban to take us back to the top where we needed to be. And as far as that 10 win season was concerned, you could tell that was a fluke for Shula just by looking at his folowwing season.
It took 7 years for Alabama to be back. And as I said, OSU will be hit harder than we were. So 10 years is a pretty reasonable number imo.
You cant say that the sanctions didnt effect our coach hirings. Shula was hired for one purpose, to be the guy that kept the program afloat and stay clean until we could get back up to full potential and then bring in someone like Saban to take us back to the top where we needed to be. And as far as that 10 win season was concerned, you could tell that was a fluke for Shula just by looking at his folowwing season.
It took 7 years for Alabama to be back. And as I said, OSU will be hit harder than we were. So 10 years is a pretty reasonable number imo.
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Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:52 am to Buckeye06
what will get OSU in trouble is CJT lying to the NCAA. Ask Dez BRyant about that.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:53 am to bamasgot13
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Bowl Ban - depends on what OSU self imposes. If they self impose for this year and next
I was thinking this yesterday. Since they are already probably going to lose Pryor for good, they should just self-impose a bowl ban this year to try to hedge the NCAA's decision.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:54 am to Buckeye06
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I'll jump in a little.
OSU's sanctions go immediately down if the NCAA buys that Tressel was the only one who knew what was going on and was keeping quiet.
Maybe these are equal in the NCAA's mind, but tats for signed gear isn't the same to me as taking 300K from a booster/agent. All the stuff combined for OSU probably isn't gonna equal 50K in value (depending on the car thing).
If we're talking money, then that party in SoBe last year at LIV probably is more
I'm sorry but I don't think everything is out yet. It's starting to look a lot like SMU version 2011. The only saving grace for OSU is Television Money that could be threatened.
Michigan might go on a ten year run over you guys.
This post was edited on 6/2/11 at 10:56 am
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:55 am to Buckeye06
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but tats for signed gear isn't the same to me as taking 300K from a booster/agent
No they are not, but 30+ players involved and benefits involving cars (if they find out about what really happens with cars and tOSU players) as well as the cover up, equals lack of institutional control. look for it to be on par or more than USCw
Doesn't matter if Tressel is gone or not
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:57 am to Buckeye06
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Buckeye06
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OSU's sanctions go immediately down if the NCAA buys that Tressel was the only one who knew what was going on and was keeping quiet.
I hear what you're saying, and I see the logic behind it. However, even if Tressel is the only one who knew (doubtful) then you have to deal with the on the record statements of other players that this has been going on for years. That fact could lead to a "failure to monitor" which would mean the NCAA feels like other people "should have known" even if they didn't.
I would have thought OSU would get off lightly until I saw the NCAA hammer USC. Also at play - as others have said - is the fact that the NCAA worked with OSU to allow players to play in the Sugar Bowl based on the understanding that OSU was being candid. They were not, so the NCAA has to make an example for others to see in terms of honesty when working hand-in-hand with NCAA. They (NCAA) have egg on their face. They can't like that.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:58 am to Bankshot
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I was thinking this yesterday. Since they are already probably going to lose Pryor for good, they should just self-impose a bowl ban this year to try to hedge the NCAA's decision.
As well as self imposed scholly reductions. Since they are not going to recruit well this year with no coach hire till after the season, they should at minimum reduce by 5
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:58 am to bamasgot13
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This was also partly due to moronic hiring (hello former coaches Fran, Price, and Shula) One key to this for OSU will be who they hire and, if he is merely a transition coach, if they are willing to pay him to go away after 2 years so they can hire a big gun instead of trying to keep him for 5 as others have mistakenly done in the past.
What people dont understand is that when you have that crappy roster due to the sanctions, you have shitty years, period. And coaches dont stick around for those kind of years, whether by their choice or the impatience of the program.
If you dont keep your "interim" coach on through until you have your roster built back up, you are wasting a hire in the meantime. Period.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:58 am to TenTex
- 3 yrs probation
- no home games one year
- no tv for two years
- OSU loses 24 scholarships
- auburn loses 16
- Show cause for Tressel and trooper
- No post season 3 years
- no home games one year
- no tv for two years
- OSU loses 24 scholarships
- auburn loses 16
- Show cause for Tressel and trooper
- No post season 3 years
Posted on 6/2/11 at 10:58 am to TenTex
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The only saving grace for OSU is Television Money that could be threatened.
When was the last time a TV Ban was implemented, the 90's?
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:00 am to AUnite
quote:I don't see this happening anymore with a big school. There is too much at stake with TV partners and sponsors.
When was the last time a TV Ban was implemented, the 90's?
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:00 am to DeltaDoc
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The one thing that gives me pause admittedly about Auburn though is the NCAA willingness to clear Cam so quickly (less than 24 hours) when he was suspended.
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That deal was worked out with the NCAA between Slime and AU with the assurance that nobody knew nothing about CM dad trying to sell his son. When Yahoo Sports reports that AU was the highest bidder then the DP is coming.
Now all you AU posters out there need to know that you can't silence my voice about your cheating ways. At least I hope I help some see the light.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:01 am to NYCAuburn
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As well as self imposed scholly reductions.
They will probably do this as well at some point, but they would probably put that on hold to see what accusations the NCAA actually levels in the fall.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:02 am to AUnite
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When was the last time a TV Ban was implemented, the 90's?
Early 90s for a major program.
USC was hit with a TV ban back in the 80s and didn't receive one the past time around.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:03 am to TenTex
What about Miami in the mid '90s? Didn't they lose like 31 scholarships? I can't imagine five schools being more heavily punished than that.
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:04 am to Born to be a Tiger
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Now all you AU posters out there need to know that you can't silence my voice about your cheating ways
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:04 am to Born to be a Tiger
I think you overestimate your importance. And to rebuff the notion that you have helped anybody
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:04 am to Born to be a Tiger
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That deal was worked out with the NCAA between Slime and AU with the assurance that nobody knew nothing about CM dad trying to sell his son. When Yahoo Sports reports that AU was the highest bidder then the DP is coming.
Now all you AU posters out there need to know that you can't silence my voice about your cheating ways. At least I hope I help some see the light.
3 weeks, I can't wait. Will you place a ban bet on all your predictions?
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:05 am to Bench McElroy
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What about Miami in the mid '90s? Didn't they lose like 31 scholarships? I can't imagine five schools being more heavily punished than that.
Still wasn't as bad as SMU, but the situation would be the closest to a program as whole compared to Ohio State right now...
Posted on 6/2/11 at 11:07 am to Bench McElroy
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What about Miami in the mid '90s?
It hurt them from 1995-1997, but they got back on track pretty quick due to their location (only D1 program in South Florida at the time) and making a great hire right out of the gate.
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