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re: Too much SEC bias in the polls
Posted on 11/12/08 at 4:46 pm to wolfgang
Posted on 11/12/08 at 4:46 pm to wolfgang
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no need to justify the ore. st loss. It happened! As did wyoming-tenn, ole miss v florida, and don't tell me ole miss is better than ore st. UL mon--ala. teams have bad days and that's it. On an earlier post someone mentioned that USC fans should be getting tired of losing each year to a very inferior team. I AM!
No no no no, you have it all wrong. If Southern Cal loses to a team, then that team is automatically this top-notch elite powerhouse on the level of winning programs that get top 10 recruiting classes every year!
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Posted on 11/12/08 at 4:53 pm to Fighting Tigers
Well, if you're right then USC's the best team in college football.
Sweet.
Sweet.
Posted on 11/12/08 at 5:12 pm to Fighting Tigers
DON'T quite understand what your are saying. Oregon state is a good team, not a great team, and no one, i mean no one has accused Stanford of being a great team.
Posted on 11/12/08 at 5:20 pm to loweralabamatrojan
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Well, if you're right then USC's the best team in college football.
Yes, I think USC has a very good case for being the best team in college football, based on the talent they have. I've see fellow Tiger fans get mad about this and claim that there is too much Southern Cal bias in the media, just like you Southern Cal fans are claiming that there is too much SEC bias in the media in this thread.
Southern Cal has the advantage of being the only strong powerhouse program in the West. Not just that, but Southern Cal is also located in the largest state in the US and the 2nd-largest city in the US. If a star athlete out west wants to go to a school that contends for championships, what other choice does he have other than Southern Cal? The disadvantage of course, is that you have to listen to everybody criticizing the Pac-10 for being the Pac-1. So what? Being the Pac-1 guarantees that USC can suck in all the elite talent that comes out of y'all's neck of the woods... heck Southern Cal even came over here to Louisiana and got McKnight and Booty. It's a lot easier to win championships over at Southern Cal than it is playing for an SEC team. I mean, Southern Cal has won the Pac-10 championship for six years in a row now. While in the SEC, four different teams have won the conference championship over the last six years (LSU, Auburn, Georgia, Florida).
Posted on 11/12/08 at 6:01 pm to Fighting Tigers
quote:Bollocks. If it were that easy, we'd do it every year.
It's a lot easier to win championships over at Southern Cal than it is playing for an SEC team.
Don't think Florida would go undefeated in the PAC 10, nor USC in the SEC. It's a long season, and there's a reason BCS conference teams don't go undefeated very often.
Posted on 11/12/08 at 6:07 pm to loweralabamatrojan
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Bollocks. If it were that easy, we'd do it every year.
Don't think Florida would go undefeated in the PAC 10, nor USC in the SEC. It's a long season, and there's a reason BCS conference teams don't go undefeated very often.
USC does win the Pac 10 championship every year. If USC took Florida's place in the SEC and Florida took USC's place in the Pac-10, Florida would win the Pac-10 championship every year like USC does now, while USC would struggle winning the SEC championship every year, just like Florida does in the SEC.
This post was edited on 11/12/08 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 11/12/08 at 6:14 pm to loweralabamatrojan
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Florida couldn't get by Ole Miss.
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So that, like just about everything else Jaydope posts is bollocks.
And USC couldn't get by 4-8 Stanford last year or 7-6 UCLA the year before that, but they still won the Pac-10 championship both years. I'm not saying Florida would go undefeated every year in the Pac-10. Florida would suffer from random upsets just like Southern Cal does, but they would still win the Pac-10 each year, like Southern Cal does now.
This post was edited on 11/12/08 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 11/12/08 at 6:35 pm to Fighting Tigers
quote:We were "co-champs" in 2002, WSU beat us head to head. We may be "co-champs" this season also, if Oregon State wins out. Nobody's giving them much of a chance, but they certainly have the opportunity to do it.
I'm not saying Florida would go undefeated every year in the Pac-10. Florida would suffer from random upsets just like Southern Cal does, but they would still win the Pac-10 each year, like Southern Cal does now.
Co-champs is the PAC 10's nice way of saying 2nd place. The "primary champion" goes to the Rose Bowl unless they're in the BCSCG or another BCS bowl, and the "co-champ" has something Auburn 2004ish to put in next season's media guide.
All you've really established is that we've been the dominant team in the PAC-10 since Pete Carroll's arrived, and dropped a few games where we were much more talented than the opponent.
Just like Arkansas vs. LSU last season.
Just like Ole Miss vs. Florida this season.
The Stanford game was a shocker because of the Las Vegas line, but anomalies are present within any system. So is the revenge factor. Pete Carroll won't take the pedal off up in Palo Alto this weekend. I'll take the over, and lay the points.
Posted on 11/12/08 at 7:02 pm to loweralabamatrojan
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All you've really established is that we've ... dropped a few games where we were much more talented than the opponent.
Right. I don't think Southern Cal is any less dangerous just because they happened to lose a game they shouldn't have. In 2004, defending National Champion LSU had its first game of the season up there at Oregon State, and it took us a miracle to survive the upset. Same thing happened in 2005, when LSU's first game of the season was over there at Arizona State. Both times those Pac-10 teams showed up to play and gave us everything we could handle. So I'm not surprised when I see a Pac-10 team that is able to show up and give Southern Cal everything they can handle. It's just like over here with the weak teams in the SEC, every now and then one will show up and give us everything we can handle. It happens most often with Ole Miss, being that they have this seething hatred of us because they still consider us to be their rivals while we laugh at them.
2006 -- we won by 3 in OT
2004 -- we won by 3
2003 -- we won by 3
2002 -- we won by 1
2001 -- we lost
This post was edited on 11/12/08 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 11/13/08 at 11:26 am to MJRuffalo
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Not some AP hack who doesn't know shite about the game, or some coach that does not even watch any other games.
the same AP that gave ya'll a trophy......
Posted on 11/13/08 at 6:59 pm to Pepe Lepew
on the same level as the coaches trophy
Posted on 11/13/08 at 8:30 pm to MJRuffalo
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but USC has the #1 overall pass defense, total defense, scoring defense, and pass efficiency defense
Of course they have the best ranked defense. THEY HAVEN'T PLAY ANYBODY!!!!!!!!!
Tex Tech and the Big 10 Schools have played each other and bring great offenses. As good as USC is, they would struggle against Texas Tech. It would be a repeat of the 2004 BCSCG.
Posted on 11/13/08 at 9:01 pm to mikedatyger
When we smoked Oklahoma 55-19?
Posted on 11/13/08 at 9:10 pm to MJRuffalo
In a "down" SEC year, Fla and Bama will fight to play in the BCSCG, and give the SEC a shot at three straight, and possibly three different schools..
Ruff and the rest of the anti-SEC crowd must be going postal or standing on ledges..
But hey Ruff, for once I regret cheering a USC upset, because I'd really like to have seen if USC's D could slow Florida's O or not..still hope they are paired in a bowl regardless, should Bama win in Atlanta.
P.S. Ruff, quit s@cking Kenny White and LVSC's nutsack, they are mostly using the models that Roxy Roxborough left in place, they get paid for a service. While quite sharp fellas, they aren't as sharp as top BMs and Oddsmakers offshore, nor the top Wiseguys that lay 11/10 everyday for a living..of whom I've known plenty from both sides of the counter.
Ruff and the rest of the anti-SEC crowd must be going postal or standing on ledges..
But hey Ruff, for once I regret cheering a USC upset, because I'd really like to have seen if USC's D could slow Florida's O or not..still hope they are paired in a bowl regardless, should Bama win in Atlanta.
P.S. Ruff, quit s@cking Kenny White and LVSC's nutsack, they are mostly using the models that Roxy Roxborough left in place, they get paid for a service. While quite sharp fellas, they aren't as sharp as top BMs and Oddsmakers offshore, nor the top Wiseguys that lay 11/10 everyday for a living..of whom I've known plenty from both sides of the counter.
This post was edited on 11/13/08 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 11/13/08 at 9:12 pm to MJRuffalo
As someone wrote in a recent column (paraphrase):
"With all that talent USC gets each year, all they have to do is go undefeated in the Pac-10 against inferior talent to make it to the Championship Game. And yet, each year it (cept for 04), USC can't manage to achieve that goal."
"With all that talent USC gets each year, all they have to do is go undefeated in the Pac-10 against inferior talent to make it to the Championship Game. And yet, each year it (cept for 04), USC can't manage to achieve that goal."
Posted on 11/13/08 at 9:30 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
Why don't you ask your wiseguy buddies who they would pick to beat USC in a bowl game.
Posted on 11/13/08 at 9:41 pm to MJRuffalo
With your offensive output versus Oregon St(21)..ASU(28)..Az(17)..Cal(17)..
I know whom most would say(UF)..and probably a few would toss in Bama, OU, Tex, maybe even a lone TT vote?
I know whom most would say(UF)..and probably a few would toss in Bama, OU, Tex, maybe even a lone TT vote?
Posted on 11/13/08 at 9:43 pm to TheRoarRestoredInBR
Just outed yourself as a fraud. No smart money on the planet would have Bama over USC in a bowl game straight up. Not a penny.
Posted on 11/13/08 at 9:47 pm to MJRuffalo
Right, smart money would be USC over Oregon St. or USC over Stanfod last year, or Bama over ULM last year.
Face it, USC is not NC material this year, they are overhyped like they have been every year.
Face it, USC is not NC material this year, they are overhyped like they have been every year.
Posted on 11/13/08 at 9:51 pm to Alahunter
As much as NC material as anyone else. We have by far the best defense in the nation and it's not close. And an offense that can move the ball against anyone.
All we need is for either Bama or FLorida to lose a game then win the SECCG and we are in. Other scenario that puts us in is if TT, Texas, and OU all lose once more.
All we need is for either Bama or FLorida to lose a game then win the SECCG and we are in. Other scenario that puts us in is if TT, Texas, and OU all lose once more.
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